voyagers

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[dog box]

if you dont like These deplorable excuses for Trains..and use Facebook..join the group i hate voyagers!!!!

[TerminalJunkie]

if you dont like These deplorable excuses for Trains..and use Facebook..join the group i hate voyagers!!!!

They're better than Pacers...

[Chris from Nailsea]

Hmmm ... I don't actually hate Voyagers: is there a group for, "I'd prefer not to travel on a Voyager if there is any possible alternative"?   

[Super Guard]

Hmmm ... I don't actually hate Voyagers: is there a group for, "I'd prefer not to travel on a Voyager if there is any possible alternative"?   

Does Walking count? 

[The SprinterMeister]

if you dont like These deplorable excuses for Trains..and use Facebook..join the group i hate voyagers!!!!

They're better than Pacers...

Except when a Pacer is substituting for a Voyager.....

[dog box]

Voyagers are worse than Pacers!!!!!!!!!!

[TerminalJunkie]

Voyagers are worse than Pacers!!!!!!!!!!

No, they're not.

[dog box]

i ride on both sorts of traction regularly and actually find the 142s quite pleasant especially if you are in a group of say 5 or 6 you can slouch on the bus seats and have a social with your mates.. something impossible on a voyager with the tombstone seats

[TerminalJunkie]

i ride on both sorts of traction regularly

So do: I travel from Barnstaple to Leeds regularly, and find that I can sit comfortably in a Voyager seat, as there is enough room between me and the seat in front (which is not true of Pacers), don't get backache as the seat has been properly designed (which is not true of Pacers), can work at a table (of which there aren't any in Pacers) or - where necessary - using the fold-down tables (of which there aren't any in Pacers), and can charge my laptop in the power point (of which there aren't any in Pacers).

In addition, if on the poorly-maintained jointed track we have to put up with between Barnstaple and Exeter I wouldn't have to brace myself to avoid being thrown to the floor (which I do in a Pacer), I don't go deaf from the incessant noise coming from the wheels every time they hit a joint (which I do in a Pacer), and if I'm with someone I don't have to shout to make myself heard (like I do on a Pacer).

Plus if I'm hungry I can walk to the buffet (which I can't in a Pacer), and I can get in and out of the toilet without any circus training (which is tricky in a Pacer, and is downright dangerous if it hits a bad joint while I'm in there).

Finally, heaven forbid that I'm ever involved in any sort of rail accident, but if I do I want to be in a Voyager when it happens, as I will have an immeasurably greater chance of walking away from it unscathed.

Pacers are cheap, nasty, uncomfortable and unpleasant. Voyagers are much, much better.

you can slouch on the bus seats

They're not bus seats - buses have far nicer ones...

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

voyagers were good when they came out...good not great but they are badly built and now a few years on they rattle as there built out of plastic there noisy engines underneath and to be honest since xc took over from virgin they arn't even cleaned that well... you shouldnt see the same handprints on the window with toni was ere 08 etched onto the window in chav greese two saturdays in a row....

the voyagers are not bad trains but i dont belive they are suitable for long distance

[devon_metro]

They're not bus seats - buses have far nicer ones...

Stagecoach Devon don't!!!!

The vintage buses operating on my route are far less comfortable than a Pacer seat which actually has some padding!!!

Pacer seats are bus seats considering the design is based on the Leyland National.

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

i really dont think pacers are that bad

[Timmer]

voyagers were good when they came out...good not great but they are badly built and now a few years on they rattle as there built out of plastic there noisy engines underneath and to be honest since xc took over from virgin they arn't even cleaned that well... you shouldnt see the same handprints on the window with toni was ere 08 etched onto the window in chav greese two saturdays in a row....

the voyagers are not bad trains but i dont belive they are suitable for long distance

You sum them up nicely relex109. I don't mind them for say doing Bristol-Birmingham but much longer then that I'd look at going another route.

[tramway]

For anyone who may be morbidly curious I believe there may be a dead one at Barton Hill at the moment, maybe Sprog could enlighten us further as to it's stationary nature.

[Feckham]

Hi

I have to agree with TerminalJunkie on this one..... As a traveller on the Barnie branch commuting to HQ^▸ (Headquarters) in Iceland, whether I fly into Heathrow then Paddington > over-crowded HST^▸ (High Speed Train) to EXD^» (Exeter St Davids - next trains), or Manchester > Voyager to EXD.... believe me there is nothing worse (apart from a very very good horror movie), than the sight of a darned Pacer on Platforms 1 or 3 waiting to shudder your vertebrae for the last hour, of an already 11 hour journey back to Barnstaple.