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Roger Ford in September's Modern Railways has tried to make sense of the DfT» boast of 1300 new carriages by  ? From his table it appears that FGW▸ is due for 52 vehicles for the Bristol area. However, these do not appear to be "new" but cascaded 150s (2/3 car) from London Overground and/or London Midland as a result of them receiving new class 172 (super 170s) sometime after the Q4 of 2009 if Overground ones, or after July 2010 if London Midland ones are cascaded. So two more years of overcrowded trains in the West. There is no other mention of other "new" stock for FGW, particulary not for TV services which were mentioned previously. So no respite for TV overcrowding. |
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 11:25:12 » |
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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2008, 12:07:19 » |
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There is no other mention of other "new" stock for FGW▸ , particulary not for TV services which were mentioned previously. So no respite for TV overcrowding.
TV services will have I suspect to wait for Crossrail as this will release quite a few 165/6 although by 2017 the Units will be about 2/3 through their expected life and the whole shape of the FGW franchise will have to change as a result of Crossrail so folks we will have to continue with the ovens that are 166's in the summer and draft boxs that are 165's in the winter for quite a while yet |
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2008, 12:55:16 » |
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FGW▸ always seem to be copped out by all the second hand trains. Logically, could FGW actually purchase brand new DMU▸ trains? I'm unsure of the process...
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2008, 16:04:49 » |
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I think the subject should be changed to: FGW▸ "MAY" get "NEW" stock for Bristol area  |
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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2008, 16:20:34 » |
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FGW▸ always seem to be copped out by all the second hand trains that are need of a freshen up! Logically, could FGW actually purchase brand new DMU▸ trains? I'm unsure of the process... No, the government have to approve it. |
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2008, 19:22:19 » |
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Roger Ford in September's Modern Railways has tried to make sense of the DfT» boast of 1300 new carriages by ? From his table it appears that FGW▸ is due for 52 vehicles for the Bristol area. However, these do not appear to be "new" but cascaded 150s (2/3 car) from London Overground and/or London Midland as a result of them receiving new class 172 (super 170s) sometime after the Q4 of 2009 if Overground ones, or after July 2010 if London Midland ones are cascaded. So two more years of overcrowded trains in the West. There is no other mention of other "new" stock for FGW, particulary not for TV services which were mentioned previously. So no respite for TV overcrowding. we are getting 150001 and 002 in december from LM▸ ,and over the course of 2009 the rest of the hybrid 3 cars start arriving gradually |
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2008, 21:12:17 » |
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it always was going to be cascaded stock for FGW▸ ..... and in any case whats wrong with a 150 much better than the newer stuff
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2008, 22:13:12 » |
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FGW▸ always seem to be copped out by all the second hand trains that are need of a freshen up! Logically, could FGW actually purchase brand new DMU▸ trains? I'm unsure of the process... No, the government have to approve it. Swlines, could you identify the legislation / contract which prevents FGW (or their parent company) from buying trains? (as distinct from leasing new trains). Thanks |
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2008, 22:15:10 » |
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I can't identify it as it's mainly built into the franchise contracts which are 'commercially sensitive'. Likewise, the cost of new trains would be too limiting for FGW▸ to do it upon their own accord (^750,000 to ^1 million per CARRIAGE).
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2008, 22:54:01 » |
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The cost of carriages should be seen in the context of the TOC▸ 's investment (e.g. the recent ^29m recovery plan). It's presumably possible for the parent company to own the stock. As far as the franchise contracts are concerned, I had heard about the need for leases to be underwritten by DfT» , but for the DfT to be restricting the right of a TOC to buy stock outright would seem to be plain DafT when it's recently been complaining about the ROSCOs» .  |
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2008, 23:08:29 » |
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It is impossible to have any TOC▸ make a reasonable investment now.
The government (hello if you're reading this Brown, Winsor) are stupid prats who are just desperate for stupid amounts of cash in return for commercial operators running the railways on their behalf, when they basically specify timetables, rolling stock and regulate most of the fares.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2008, 23:23:54 » |
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FGW▸ always seem to be copped out by all the second hand trains that are need of a freshen up! Logically, could FGW actually purchase brand new DMU▸ trains? I'm unsure of the process... No, the government have to approve it. Swlines, could you identify the legislation / contract which prevents FGW (or their parent company) from buying trains? (as distinct from leasing new trains). Thanks Don't forget that FGW own several HST▸ vehicles and 3 x class 143 already. |
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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2008, 23:31:02 » |
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The HSTs▸ are owned by First Group as opposed to First Great Western, as a strategic investment AFAIK▸ . The 143s are a bit cheap so the DfT» /SRA» needn't get involved on that one.
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« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2008, 23:46:07 » |
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FGW▸ always seem to be copped out by all the second hand trains that are need of a freshen up! Logically, could FGW actually purchase brand new DMU▸ trains? I'm unsure of the process... No, the government have to approve it. Swlines, could you identify the legislation / contract which prevents FGW (or their parent company) from buying trains? (as distinct from leasing new trains). Thanks Don't forget that FGW own several HST▸ vehicles and 3 x class 143 already. I'd love FGW to get taken off the franchise, simply to see the chaos that follows afterwards! |
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