Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 15:35 09 Jan 2025
 
* Fresh weather warnings for ice across UK
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 today - Bath Railway Society
24/01/25 - Westbury Station reopens
24/01/25 - LTP4 Wilts / Consultation end
24/01/25 - Bristol Rail Campaign AGM 2025

On this day
9th Jan (2004)
Incorporation of Railway Development Society Ltd (now Railfuture) (link)

Train RunningShort Run
14:32 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa
16:59 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
January 09, 2025, 15:48:25 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[167] 'Railway 200' events and commemorations 2025
[114] Thumpers for Dummies
[96] Railcard Prices going up
[57] Outstanding server / web site issues
[33] Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents ...
[21] Views sought : how train companies give assistance to disabled...
 
News: the Great Western Coffee Shop ... keeping you up to date with travel around the South West
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: 1 ... 13 14 [15] 16 17 ... 25
  Print  
Author Topic: Newquay and Plymouth Airports - their rise and fall - ongoing discussion  (Read 119595 times)
inspector_blakey
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3574



View Profile
« Reply #210 on: January 13, 2011, 17:20:24 »

Yes, I remember that too...was it during the ash chaos last spring, or a marketing stunt when they launched the Pendolino service or the VHF timetable? Or some other time...?
Logged
vacman
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 2530


View Profile
« Reply #211 on: January 14, 2011, 23:18:56 »

Yes, I remember that too...was it during the ash chaos last spring, or a marketing stunt when they launched the Pendolino service or the VHF timetable? Or some other time...?
It  was a few years back when VWC were trying (and succeded) in claiming the majority market share of Manchester to London traffic,
Logged
woody
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 525


View Profile
« Reply #212 on: January 14, 2011, 23:22:46 »

With reference to FGWs (First Great Western) generous offer to honour Air South West ticket holders from the 1st February,there are certainly plenty of empty seats to fill.The up "Hind" the 0505 Penzance/Paddington was only loaded to single figures Friday morning though mid and west Cornwall.Where are all the passenger,Newquay Airport?.Perhaps it time for FGW to relax some of its ticketing restrictions on these now lighty loaded services.
Logged
devon_metro
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5175



View Profile
« Reply #213 on: January 15, 2011, 02:37:06 »

With reference to FGWs (First Great Western) generous offer to honour Air South West ticket holders from the 1st February,there are certainly plenty of empty seats to fill.The up "Hind" the 0505 Penzance/Paddington was only loaded to single figures Friday morning though mid and west Cornwall.Where are all the passenger,Newquay Airport?.Perhaps it time for FGW to relax some of its ticketing restrictions on these now lighty loaded services.

What about after Plymouth, it really picks up through Devon as far as i'm aware.
Logged
JayMac
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 19245



View Profile
« Reply #214 on: January 15, 2011, 03:04:10 »

Indeed. The up 'Hind' gets its fair share of patronage from Plymouth onward. And has done ever since its introduction:

From FGW (First Great Western)'s 'Named Trains' section of its network Timetable:
Quote
The Golden Hind
0505 Penzance to Paddington
1803 Paddington to Penzance

The Golden Hind was first introduced in the summer of 1964. The launch broke the then record for the time of a Plymouth to London journey. The train encouraged one commuter to buy the first ever 1st class annual season ticket from Taunton to Paddington.
Smiley
Logged

"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
JayMac
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 19245



View Profile
« Reply #215 on: January 15, 2011, 23:16:30 »

The following story from the The Herald (Plymouth) is relevant to this thread so I've posted it here rather than in the 'London to the West' board:

Quote
With Air Southwest scrapping its Gatwick service, business travellers will increasingly rely on rail  to provide a quick hassle-free link to the capital.

But as Herald Business Editor William Telford discovered on his way to attend a morning meeting in London, taking the train can add to the strain.

I HAD it all planned: up at 4.30am; at Plymouth station for 5.40am; on the train at 5.53am; in London three hours later for a 10am meeting at the House of Commons. Trouble was, I didn't expect the train to break down at 7.30am.

In the end, I was an hour and 40 minutes late arriving into Paddington and missed my meeting ^ and I might not have made it at all if there had not been an off-duty fitter on the loco.

In a week that has seen Plymouth lose its air connection to Gatwick, First Great Western couldn't have picked a worse time to give a prime example of the pitfalls of rail travel.

I was travelling with Plymouth businessman Tam Macpherson and scores of businesspeople trying to get to the capital for important appointments. We were heading to Westminster to meet Plymouth Sutton and Devonport Tory MP (Member of Parliament) Oliver Colvile, who had invited us to a meeting with Dr Simon Thurley, chief executive of English Heritage, to discuss at-risk Plymouth buildings.

However, the train stopped abruptly between Exeter and Taunton and stayed there for 90 minutes. Fortunately, an off-duty FGW (First Great Western) fitter, travelling as a passenger, came forward to help the driver sort the problem. The train manager did, however, keep us up to date via regular announcements.

When we crawled into Taunton, the whole train-load of annoyed passengers caught a service to Paddington.

Kirsty Humphreys, an IT worker from Saltash, was late for a meeting at her firm's London base. She called the three-hour link "vitally important" and said: "It would be nice if it was reliable". She said there needs to be other services, possibly even a sleeper.

Brian Coogian, who works for the Marie Curie Cancer Care charity, said he would have to reschedule meetings and maybe make another expensive trip to London to compensate. Mr Coogian, from Exeter, said that for such a charity, "keeping costs down is important".

Donna Stott, a retail manager from Torquay travelling to a meeting, said: "I'm disappointed. I won't get there until lunchtime; I get a couple of hours and have to come straight back." But she stressed "nine out of ten times", the service was "not bad".

That was echoed by Phil Winrow, an accountant from Exeter who regularly uses the link and stressed the breakdown was "unusual". "This is a reliable line," he said.

Mr Macpherson said that, with the loss of the air link, the numbers using the train would increase.

He said: "They promote three hours but arrive on the fifth hour. I would like to see the rail link simply called Plymouth First, as it's now in danger of becoming our primary business link to the capital."

In the end, we made it to the Commons at 11.08am and missed Dr Thurley by eight minutes. Nevertheless, we were treated to lunch by Mr Colvile ^ and who should be a guest on his table but Plymouth businessman Charles Howeson. He was at Westminster for a meeting and was bringing associates, one of whom was delayed on the service following ours. Mr Howeson is also chairman of First Great Western's advisory board. He defended FGW's record ^ particularly its strong performance during the recent snow and ice ^ and said the service was no longer the unreliable one it was back in 2007. He said breakdowns could not be prevented but stressed it is now a rarity.

Mr Colvile said he would like to see a fast bus link established between Plymouth and Exeter.

FGW said it was investigating the cause of the fault.

Should we also point out that planes also occasionally breakdown? And if that breakdown occurs mid-flight things can be a darn sight worse for the passengers compared to a train grinding to a halt.

And someone needs to tell Kirstie Humphries that there is a sleeper service from the south-west.
Logged

"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
Lee
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7519


GBR - The Emperor's New Rail Network


View Profile WWW
« Reply #216 on: January 16, 2011, 02:58:40 »

Quote
Mr Colvile said he would like to see a fast bus link established between Plymouth and Exeter.

Interesting that he sees that as a priority. One eye on Dawlish, perhaps?
Logged

Vous devez ĂȘtre impitoyable, parce que ces gens sont des salauds - https://looka.com/s/78722877
woody
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 525


View Profile
« Reply #217 on: January 16, 2011, 10:42:32 »

Quote
Mr Colvile said he would like to see a fast bus link established between Plymouth and Exeter.

Interesting that he sees that as a priority. One eye on Dawlish, perhaps?

Quote "We were heading to Westminster to meet Plymouth Sutton and Devonport Tory MP (Member of Parliament) Oliver Colvile, who had invited us to a meeting with Dr Simon Thurley, chief executive of English Heritage, to discuss at-risk Plymouth buildings."What Plymouth station buildings!

Devonport Tory MP Oliver Colvile should be promoting electrification of Plymouths rail link to London now instead of the silly idea of a fast bus link between Plymouth and Exeter.
Logged
devon_metro
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 5175



View Profile
« Reply #218 on: January 16, 2011, 14:03:50 »

Not that a fast bus link will ever compete with the train, it's approximately 60miles and what with buses limited to 60mph on dual carriageways its at least 60 minutes journey time.
Logged
TerminalJunkie
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 919



View Profile
« Reply #219 on: January 16, 2011, 15:27:07 »

it's approximately 60miles [from Plymouth to Exeter]

That's a fairly poor approximation; it's nearer 45 miles...

its at least 60 minutes journey time

...and National Express have two services per day timetabled for 55 minutes.
Logged

Daily Mail and Daily Express readers please click here.
brompton rail
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 262



View Profile
« Reply #220 on: January 16, 2011, 15:36:37 »

the Herald's piece does point to the rather inefficient way that we hold meetings. At least 2 people going from Plymouth to London to meet 1 person - the other way around might be more effective, especially as they were talking about buildings at risk in Plymouth. Others travelling to meetings in London. I accept that video conferencing isn't quite the same as person to person, but a lot cheaper and time efficient. Not good for FGW (First Great Western)'s ticket sales though.
Logged
Umberleigh
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 456


View Profile
« Reply #221 on: January 18, 2011, 22:34:32 »

Agree with others, no sympathy for ASW as they so aggressively targeted rail customers. With regards to the popular opinion in Plymouth (Evening Herald et al) some of the misconceptions about the rail service are staggering Undecided The great majority of HST (High Speed Train) services to Plymouth arrive more or less on time and yet one breakdown en route is front page news. Compare that with ASW's inability to even take off during the recent cold weather. I especially enjoyed the suggestion by one FGW (First Great Western) passenger that there should be a sleeper service Huh It's in every timetable, the website and prominently advertised at major FGW stations, for goodness sake...

Anyway, my main gripe is the seemingly popular belief that Gatwick is in London. How ironic that those who chose ASW because of the 'unreliable' trains were themselves first in the queue for the Gatwick Express. All comparisons I've encountered seem to compare (unfairly) ASW Ply/Nqy - Gtw v FGW Ply - Pad.

So...

London Reading Station! Just 2.5 hours from Plymouth! Fast connections to the Capital! No need to change trains!

 Wink
Logged
LiskeardRich
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 3490

richardwarwicker@hotmail.co.uk
View Profile
« Reply #222 on: January 19, 2011, 00:07:37 »

in the news today Ryanair have pulled all flights out of Newquay, so much for Newquay airport being developed etc, going backwards not forwards now
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-12214475
Logged

All posts are my own personal believes, opinions and understandings!
JayMac
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 19245



View Profile
« Reply #223 on: January 20, 2011, 17:01:00 »

From The Herald (Plymouth):

Quote
The Big Question: Does Plymouth need to have its own airport?

In the wake of this month^s decision by Air Southwest to end flights to London Gatwick, The Herald asks: does Plymouth need an airport?

continues.....

A large article so I've not quoted it in full. Read on here.
Logged

"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
woody
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 525


View Profile
« Reply #224 on: January 31, 2011, 11:52:53 »

Professor Peter Gripaios from the University of Plymouth said he believed Plymouths airport's days were "probably numbered" following the withdrawal of the Gatwick airlink from today.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-12321528.
  Lets hope the government takes this into account when it finally decides what it is going to do regards HST (High Speed Train) replacement and electrification.,but I suspect not this far south west.
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: 1 ... 13 14 [15] 16 17 ... 25
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page