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« Reply #60 on: December 14, 2008, 12:06:23 » |
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What plugs the gap to London at Totnes, Newton Abbot, Tiverton Parkway and Taunton?
Ive been on trains originating from Cornwall where its fairly empty and Newton Abbot and full by Taunton.
Plymouth start ups connecting with Cornish stopper, cross platform interchange. |
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« Reply #61 on: December 14, 2008, 17:10:58 » |
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What plugs the gap to London at Totnes, Newton Abbot, Tiverton Parkway and Taunton?
Ive been on trains originating from Cornwall where its fairly empty and Newton Abbot and full by Taunton.
The existing EXD» -Pad shuttles would cover most but increased to 2 hourly and maybe add Newton Abbot into the fast trains |
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« Reply #62 on: December 14, 2008, 17:33:34 » |
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I agree with Vacman - "InterCity" means express, not stopping everywhere!
Gaps at St Erth could be plugged by extending St Ives services to PNZ, also providing a useful local journey option.
Newquay trains could run straight into Plymouth, more gaps plugged.
Then all you need is a local shuttle, serving the halts around Plymouth.
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« Reply #63 on: December 14, 2008, 19:08:29 » |
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Problem is, once you have an established service, you can't simply remove the services. There would be uproar if Totnes and Newton Abbot were to loose out on fairly fast services to London. There would also be some fairly major gaps travelling from Torbay - Plymouth
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« Reply #64 on: December 14, 2008, 19:15:23 » |
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I agree with Vacman - "InterCity" means express, not stopping everywhere!
Gaps at St Erth could be plugged by extending St Ives services to PNZ, also providing a useful local journey option.
Newquay trains could run straight into Plymouth, more gaps plugged.
Then all you need is a local shuttle, serving the halts around Plymouth.
The problem I see with taking out stops particularly in Cornwall is that many Penzance/Paddington HSTs▸ through Cornwall now carry a significant number of local passengers, particularly commuters into Plymouth.The severe overcrowding of HSTs at Plymouth with commuters to/from Cornwall is becoming a regular feature of rail travel locally.If you were to remove the local travel element many HSTs from Penzance to Plymouth would be half empty so it^s a ^catch 22^ situation.To fill seats on HSTs in Cornwall you need to stop them to pick up the commuters to fill those empty seats.On the other hand stopping HSTs at every lampost in Cornwall simply makes air links to Gatwick more viable to long haul passengers.In an ideal world the HSTs would run limited stops Penzance to Plymouth interspersed with a regular local stopping service.As it is FGW▸ are currently stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea on this one and I sence the airlines know this. |
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« Reply #65 on: December 14, 2008, 20:51:24 » |
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No-one is telling FGW▸ to axe the local stations, just run LOCAL trains for LOCAL stations.
And Totnes, Torbay and NA can still have fast trains to London.
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« Reply #66 on: December 14, 2008, 22:19:45 » |
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I agree with Vacman - "InterCity" means express, not stopping everywhere!
Gaps at St Erth could be plugged by extending St Ives services to PNZ, also providing a useful local journey option.
Newquay trains could run straight into Plymouth, more gaps plugged.
Then all you need is a local shuttle, serving the halts around Plymouth.
The problem I see with taking out stops particularly in Cornwall is that many Penzance/Paddington HSTs▸ through Cornwall now carry a significant number of local passengers, particularly commuters into Plymouth.The severe overcrowding of HSTs at Plymouth with commuters to/from Cornwall is becoming a regular feature of rail travel locally.If you were to remove the local travel element many HSTs from Penzance to Plymouth would be half empty so it^s a ^catch 22^ situation.To fill seats on HSTs in Cornwall you need to stop them to pick up the commuters to fill those empty seats.On the other hand stopping HSTs at every lampost in Cornwall simply makes air links to Gatwick more viable to long haul passengers.In an ideal world the HSTs would run limited stops Penzance to Plymouth interspersed with a regular local stopping service.As it is FGW▸ are currently stuck between the devil and the deep blue sea on this one and I sence the airlines know this. Most of the "Local" traffic is Truro, Bodmin and Liskeard to Plymouth which would still be served by HST's anyway...... |
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« Reply #67 on: December 15, 2008, 09:27:45 » |
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Only time will tell if 20th century solutions will still be relevent as the 21st century unfolds.ie more airport expansion and new roads at the expense of much needed rail infrastructure investment in the far west.
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« Reply #68 on: December 15, 2008, 18:42:24 » |
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Only time will tell if 20th century solutions will still be relevent as the 21st century unfolds.ie more airport expansion and new roads at the expense of much needed rail infrastructure investment in the far west.
You always seem to bang on about roads being built, then why was the Kingskerswell bypass rejected for what must be the millionth time!! |
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« Reply #69 on: December 15, 2008, 23:54:59 » |
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Just stating the facts of transport life for most people in Devon and Cornwall and highlighting how rail has to compete with one hand tied behind its back west of Exeter.
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« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2008, 21:45:20 » |
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Just stating the facts of transport life for most people in Devon and Cornwall and highlighting how rail has to compete with one hand tied behind its back west of Exeter.
Maybe so but even with one hand tied behind its back rail is beating the sh1t out of roads for local travel in Devon and Cornwall, I can't ever recall the current volume of local travel in the two counties! |
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« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2008, 21:54:26 » |
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... and the airport closure has already cost the local economy up to ^6 million, apparently: see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7784703.stm |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2008, 00:54:33 » |
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Just stating the facts of transport life for most people in Devon and Cornwall and highlighting how rail has to compete with one hand tied behind its back west of Exeter.
Maybe so but even with one hand tied behind its back rail is beating the sh1t out of roads for local travel in Devon and Cornwall, I can't ever recall the current volume of local travel in the two counties! Quite so,I regularly travel Plymouth /Exeter return 104 rail miles ^4.70 with a Devon and Cornwall railcard unbeatable. |
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« Reply #73 on: December 18, 2008, 00:21:51 » |
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« Reply #74 on: December 18, 2008, 17:28:45 » |
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 I would be very interested to hear if the loadings for the Sleeper have increased much since the airport closed ?
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