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« on: July 28, 2008, 21:43:19 » |
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I travelled both ways today from Maidenhead to Paddington on an Adelante (I thought they were getting rid of them?)...
Both times due to the fact that there are too many passengers (or too few trains!!?) I travelled in the door area.. And how hot that was... The carriages appear to be air conditioned and they throw the heat out into the door area (rather than outside).. Well at least they appear to!
The evening journey home (18.33 departure) was SO hot that even though I was standing still and hadn't exerted myself to get to the train, I had sweat dripping off of me all the way home (not pleasant!)..
My kitchen is currently 27 degrees and feels cool compared to that train.. How hot can it have been? It can't be safe..
I've told FGW▸ many times before.. Either mend the air conditioning or give us lots of opening windows... I think the HSTS may be ok air conditioning wise although don't know for sure.. I know that the turbos aren't.. And that the adelante door areas aren't... I didn;t get the luxury of testing the carriage temperature out today.
I have travelled out of St Pancras before on lovely cool trains even on the hottest day of the year (and full of hot people) so I know it can be done..
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 22:16:59 » |
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Jo........The Heat problem in the door areas on a 180 have nothing at all to do with malfunctioinig air con and a lot more to do with the fact that the exhaust pipes for the engines run up behind the vestibule door panels.......sorry its yet another design fault on these lousy units
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 22:18:34 » |
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Sorry to hear about your rather sweaty experiences today, johoare!   Ironically, due to various train delays this morning and this evening, I was deprived of my usual travel experiences on a 143 or 150, and enjoyed instead an HST▸ for both journeys! I can only confirm my impression that the air conditioning on HSTs does seem fine (at least within the carriages - I got a seat each time - bliss!). However, I'm sorry, but I can't compare them with Adelantes, as they don't venture this far down into the country?  |
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johoare
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2008, 22:22:25 » |
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Sorry to hear about your rather sweaty experiences today, johoare! Ironically, due to various train delays this morning and this evening, I was deprived of my usual travel experiences on a 143 or 150, and enjoyed instead an HST▸ for both journeys! I can only confirm my impression that the air conditioning on HSTs does seem fine (at least within the carriages - I got a seat each time - bliss!). However, I'm sorry, but I can't compare them with Adelantes, as they don't venture this far down into the country? Ooh, a nice cool HST... Unfortunately the commuters from Maidenhead who pay nearly ^3000 a year each aren't entitled to nice cool HST's as a general rule.. Instead we travel in conditions that, if cattle were made to travel in such heat, the person responsible would probably be prosecuted!! hhmmm that just doesn't seem quite right to me?  |
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johoare
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 22:23:14 » |
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Jo........The Heat problem in the door areas on a 180 have nothing at all to do with malfunctioinig air con and a lot more to do with the fact that the exhaust pipes for the engines run up behind the vestibule door panels.......sorry its yet another design fault on these lousy units
Oh dear! That really can't help.. It didn't help! I'm surprised no one passed out it was so hot... |
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 22:32:40 » |
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Jo, I honestly do offer you my sympathy! No, I don't think it's right at all! My own ten minute journey each way, costing just ^3.80 return, is not too much of a strain - even in the most adverse weather conditions (flooding aside, of course), even on 143s or 150s with no air conditioning. If you are paying nearly ^3,000 a year, I do think you are certainly entitled to travel on trains that have been designed by an at least competent designer?? |
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« Last Edit: July 28, 2008, 22:34:43 by chris from nailsea »
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 22:52:13 » |
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Jo, in future if you board an Adelante, I would strongly suggest trying to fight your way into the coach, even if you have to stand. If there is one thing that is right on these ill-starred trains, it is the air conditioning in weather like this - like a fridge - which is why people sometimes complain at other times of the year that it is set too cold.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 23:30:23 » |
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Jo, while I do agree entirely with Will on this one, Jo, in future if you board an Adelante, I would strongly suggest trying to fight your way into the coach ... the use of cutlasses is probably not allowed. Chris |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
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johoare
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 23:36:03 » |
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Jo, while I do agree entirely with Will on this one, Jo, in future if you board an Adelante, I would strongly suggest trying to fight your way into the coach ... the use of cutlasses is probably not allowed. Chris Ha ha.. Well exactly.. The coach was too full to get in...cutlass or no cutlass... Mmm, maybe we need more trains? |
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 00:09:42 » |
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So now you want more Adelante's  There maybe cutlasses at dawn yet... arrrrrrrgh |
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 00:26:28 » |
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So now you want more Adelante's There maybe cutlasses at dawn yet... arrrrrrrgh Ha Ha.. but no.. more trains.. less adelantes please...? And trains where we can open all the windows and not rely on the air conditioning that never works would be just fine..... No mod cons required here...  |
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 00:37:15 » |
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I'll forward your request to Mr. G. Brown. While you are holding for a response, if it gets too hot, just find the nearest Emergency window + green hammer = instant air conditioning* *I will not be held liable for anyone stupid enough to do this (unless in a real emergency). |
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 00:38:44 » |
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Travelled back from Paddington to Oxford on a fast service that was a turbo last sunday, all the windows were open and it was lush i think, what with the speed a train goes, windows that open are (mainly) the way forward.. though i guess you'd get the odd person complaining about the draft... |
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 00:39:25 » |
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the use of cutlasses is probably not allowed.
My suggestions to FGW▸ about replacing Dispatch batons with Swords and being able to wear eye patches were denied... Apparently we need both eyes for our job  |
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johoare
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 00:43:42 » |
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Travelled back from Paddington to Oxford on a fast service that was a turbo last sunday, all the windows were open and it was lush i think, what with the speed a train goes, windows that open are (mainly) the way forward.. though i guess you'd get the odd person complaining about the draft... I've been telling FGW▸ (and Thames trains before them) this for years.. Still they insist on trying to make the air con work.. It never has.. not on the turbos..well not on a hot day anyway... You think they'd learn... Surely non air con carriages are cheaper? |
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