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« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2008, 00:32:26 » |
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Don't forget Virgin are also getting five more SuperVoyagers from CrossCountry for the December timetable once the XC▸ HSTs▸ are back from overhaul
 Hmm? I thought that the whole point of XC getting HSTs was to enable 5 voyagers to be doubled up - eliminating overcrowding on most services. And I hope VT▸ don't start operating Voyagers on more full electric routes! |
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« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2008, 00:35:21 » |
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That's what I thought too |
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« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2008, 01:10:27 » |
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Don't forget Virgin are also getting five more SuperVoyagers from CrossCountry for the December timetable once the XC▸ HSTs▸ are back from overhaul
Hmm? I thought that the whole point of XC getting HSTs was to enable 5 voyagers to be doubled up - eliminating overcrowding on most services. And I hope VT▸ don't start operating Voyagers on more full electric routes! Don't forget Branson is in bed with the DfT» ... |
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« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2008, 07:07:31 » |
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Don't forget Branson is in bed with the DfT» ...
Really??? So why did he lose XC▸ or did he not really want to retain this franchise anymore by not submitting a challenging bid for XC? |
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« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2008, 17:40:48 » |
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On the subject of Branson, I laughed when I read his comment after VT▸ had lost the XC▸ franchise.
He said something along the lines of: "we are shocked, we will organise a meeting to find out why we lost" etc.
Ummm - you took 8 car loco hauled trains off and put 4 car poorly designed DMU▸ trains on! You caused overcrowding while passenger numbers where going up. Your punctuality was abysmal and would have been worse without 10 min waits at every station!!!!!!
Did he really think Virgin had a chance of winning?
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« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2008, 18:43:47 » |
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Ummm - you took 8 car loco hauled trains off and put 4 car poorly designed DMU▸ trains on! You caused overcrowding while passenger numbers where going up. Your punctuality was abysmal and would have been worse without 10 min waits at every station!!!!!!
Did he really think Virgin had a chance of winning? Except that's basically what the SRA» at the time were specifying for the franchise!!! All the operators would have done it. Virgin originally said they'd find a decent alternative, but the SRA blocked that too... But what about these 5 vomiters?
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« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2008, 19:04:13 » |
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Ha! So XC▸ have been lying - there won't be any double Voyagers. Just a handful of services will be longer (the HSTs▸ ).
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« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2008, 19:22:05 » |
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No - the new timetable drops the number of units required hence allowing units to double up IIRC▸ .
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« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2008, 20:07:27 » |
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No - the new timetable drops the number of units required hence allowing units to double up IIRC▸ .
Do you mean the axing of the Brighton services? I can't see that removing 5 diagrams. |
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« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2008, 20:12:43 » |
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Brighton itself axes 2 diagrams, don't forget there are also Three Bridges and Gatwick Airport services too. Also the timetable is made in such a way that diagrams are isolated to certain services too...
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« Reply #85 on: July 19, 2008, 00:15:20 » |
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Ha! So XC▸ have been lying - there won't be any double Voyagers. Just a handful of services will be longer (the HSTs▸ ).
I don't know if it's just during summer and or because it was a weekend, but i was on a double voyager to Reading (bournemouth service) on Sunday, and on return also, plus every service i saw was double also. I wasn't actually meant to be using this service, but because fast paddington service was running 10 minutes late and reported as full and standing, Customers were advised to board this service and change at Reading, luckily there was plenty of room! I think it was because turbos were on the route due to the suspension from Evesham northwards. 3 cars were running to/from Evesham as far as Oxford with an extra 2 being detatched (ex london) or coupled on (ex evesham) at Oxford. On my return journey, one thing that really cheesed me off was that no-one was advised until the train arrived at Oxford that part of the train would be taken out of service. It was a bit of a mad scuffle with passengers moving from the rear 2 coaches into the front 3.. i couldn't understand quite why the service wasn't advertised as "Oxford and Evesham, front 3 coaches Oxford, Evesham, 2 rear coaches Oxford Only" or something of that sort. It just made it slightly chaotic as nobody was aware.. i was at the time on my way to charlbury and was luckily in the correct section of the service ! |
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« Reply #86 on: July 19, 2008, 00:25:23 » |
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« Reply #87 on: July 19, 2008, 11:48:50 » |
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We definetly need more double voyager services, to compliment the HST▸ services.
PErsonally dont think that VWC should have been allowed to get the extra 5 voyagers, as they too are needed for the XC▸ franchise. They should have been made to wait for the pendolions to be ready.
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« Reply #88 on: July 19, 2008, 16:15:01 » |
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XC▸ have been deactivating the tilt mechanism on their Super Voyagers.  What a waste. Why not clear them for tilting in Devon and Cornwall to slash journey times. And what will VT▸ use the 5 extra voyagers for? London to Birmingham?
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« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2008, 17:32:53 » |
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And what will VT▸ use the 5 extra voyagers for? London to Birmingham? Beefed-up Chester and North Wales services, allowing them to stop dragging Pendolinos to Holyhead behind Class 57s, so they can run under the wires full-time to help provide the high-frequency timetable from December. What a waste. Why not clear them for tilting in Devon and Cornwall to slash journey times. Not worth the money to fit the necessary lineside equipment and check clearances, when nothing run by FGW▸ uses tilt and several of the XC▸ Plymouth services each day will be HSTs▸ anyway. The reason XC are deactivating their sets is because, apart from Banbury to Oxford, none of their routes is equipped for it since the end of XC services up the West Coast to Scotland. And the tilt rams also pose reliability issues. |
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