Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 06:55 10 Mar 2025
 
- 'We go from dinner service to dealing with a corpse' - what happens when an air passenger dies
- Luxury lounges: Credit card perks we are all paying for
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 13/03/25 - Community Rail Awards
19/03/25 - WWRUG AGM
19/03/25 - Forum offline 00:00 - 02:00
21/03/25 - TravelWatch SouthWest

On this day
10th Mar (2000)
FGW make all trains no smoking (link)

Train RunningCancelled
06:05 Penzance to London Paddington
06:12 Frome to London Paddington
06:26 Swansea to London Paddington
06:40 Reading to Basingstoke
06:57 Reading to Basingstoke
07:00 Gloucester to Plymouth
07:00 Basingstoke to Reading
07:10 Penzance to London Paddington
07:20 Basingstoke to Reading
07:20 Liskeard to Looe
07:38 Reading to Basingstoke
07:39 Basingstoke to Reading
07:54 Looe to Liskeard
08:00 Reading to Basingstoke
08:15 Basingstoke to Reading
08:25 Reading to Basingstoke
08:36 Basingstoke to Reading
09:19 Basingstoke to Reading
Short Run
05:29 Swansea to London Paddington
05:40 Penzance to Cardiff Central
06:35 Salisbury to Worcester Foregate Street
06:40 Penzance to Cardiff Central
07:23 Carmarthen to London Paddington
08:37 Castle Cary to Gloucester
Delayed
03:46 Swansea to London Paddington
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
March 10, 2025, 07:08:15 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[89] 30,000 threads - the Coffee Shop
[86] 25th May 2025 - SWR Franchise expires and services Nationalise...
[56] Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
[49] Grotty Scotty Piccies
[46] Train fare dodger told to pay nearly £1,000
[44] 21st March 2025 - TravelWatch SouthWest General meeting
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Why no London trains from Bath Spa 2/3?  (Read 660 times)
Timmer
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 6586


View Profile
« on: March 02, 2025, 09:30:37 »

The line between Chippenham and Swindon is closed this weekend for engineering work.

Yesterday, one of the two half hourly Bristol to London services was diverted via Badminton not calling at Bath and Chippenham with the other diverted via the Berks and Hants after calling at Bath.

Today however, Bath Spa has no London services with passengers either having to change at Bristol or Westbury with some long connection times at both.

In previous times, when the line between Chippenham and Swindon is closed, on Sunday Bristol to London trains would start/terminate at Bath Spa to provide a direct service for a station that has a lot of London passengers.

Why is this not happening today? Cost cutting or because it stretches train crew availability? I suspect both.

I expect the local trains between Westbury and Bristol will be very busy today with many diagrammed as just two or three coaches.

Sadly this is another example of not providing a train service at times of engineering work. Westbury and Pewsey having not had a London trains the past three Sundays because the line was closed in the Frome area.
Logged
UstiImmigrunt
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 100



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2025, 16:58:05 »

As mentioned previously, HSS (High Speed Services) drivers at Paddington and Bristol signed Newbury and Freshford. But so many HSS drivers have retired or reduced hours plus choose to be not available for Sundays as per the terms and conditions.

When I retired the only GWR (Great Western Railway) depot that signed Bedwyn to Westbury was Exeter but I don't think they sign Bathampton to Westbury.

So due to the reduction of HSS FESWs then has it been decided up high not to attempt to run trains from Reading next stop Bath Spa via Newbury?
« Last Edit: March 02, 2025, 17:04:39 by UstiImmigrunt » Logged

Retired and loving it!

Pround owner of a brand new little red book and an annual first class https://oneticket.cz/networkPassSearch

It will be well used and I doubt I'll ever get any delay repay compensation.
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 13202


View Profile Email
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2025, 20:57:22 »

More likely to be the staff shortage that has reappeared this weekend.

It would need more staff than usually scheduled to run as you suggest & they can't even rustle up the usual number!
Logged
infoman
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1509


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2025, 05:14:07 »

Could the services not run London to Chippenham via Swindon and then terminate at Chiienham and then go back to London

AND

then have a Paddington to Bath via Bristol Parkway and BTM (Bristol Temple Meads (strictly, it should be BRI) but BTM is a commonly used alternative)) terminate at Bath and then make the return trip via BTM and Bristol Parkway?

No need for replacement services

My suggestion reminds of an airplane story from Australia many years ago

British Airways plane route was London Sydney Melbourne Sydney then back to London
capacity on the Sydney to Melbourne and Melbourne to Sydney was only 20 per cent full
so British Airways decided to change the route to London Sydney Melbourne then onto London
which meant there was nearly 100 per cent capacity on the route from Sydney to Melbourne
« Last Edit: March 03, 2025, 05:23:31 by infoman » Logged
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 43535



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2025, 06:24:57 »

Could the services not run London to Chippenham via Swindon and then terminate at Chiienham and then go back to London

AND

then have a Paddington to Bath via Bristol Parkway and BTM (Bristol Temple Meads (strictly, it should be BRI) but BTM is a commonly used alternative)) terminate at Bath and then make the return trip via BTM and Bristol Parkway?

No need for replacement services

The line was closed Chippenham - Swindon on Saturday and Sunday and also Bath - Chippenham on Sunday , with the only trains serving Chippenham being from Westbury (possibly a first!) on Sunday. Even there, a crew shortage on Saturday evening lead to the last round trip from Westbury to Chippenham being at  18:50 rather than 21:25 - so that looks like timetabled service reduced in the plan due to engineeringm then further reduced on the day because of s lack of crew.

Although all stations WERE served,  rail replacement services still needed from Chippenham to Swindon - not realistic to expect anyone but a rail enthusiast to travel a long way round for such a short journey even if there're enough crews and trains. 

When Bath - Chippenham closed, some logic in reversing hourly trains at Bradford Junction and with calls at Melksham and B-o-A (for changes) the local service could be replaced for the day.   When Chippenham - Swindon closed, is there any logic in an hourly London - Swindon - Parkway - Temple Meads - Chippenham - Westbury - London route?  I suspect not - just too far round.   With Chippenham accessible only from Westbury, some sense I'm making that into an hourly shuttle and advising change at Trowbridge for London - Bristol service via the Berks and Hants.    All of which comes down to "what price", "where do you get crew and trains from"?
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, TravelWatch SouthWest Board Member
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 13202


View Profile Email
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 16:17:51 »

Suspect engineering trains getting the way for that, Infoman.

The lines are only shut to passenger & freight trains. They have to get equipment to sites to/from each end.
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules via admin@railcustomer.info. Full legal statement (here).

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page