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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2024, 20:38:52 »

With SWR» (South Western Railway - about) down as running a pretty normal Sunday service, journey planners are showing Cardiff-Bristol-Bath to London via Salisbury for Waterloo and South West to London changing onto SWR services at Exeter for Waterloo.

I wonder what, if anything SWR will do, particularly at Exeter to manage this? Am I right in saying they cannot running anything longer than x2 159s between Exeter and Salisbury?

Walkup fares via Honiton and via Warminster should be cheaper too  Cheesy Grin
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2024, 12:44:24 »

Simon Calder has tweeted -

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with the newly announced strikes by members of the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) union working for London Overground:
19-20 February
4-5 March
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« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2024, 16:59:58 »

On a day of hardly any trains due to industial action into the third year, I bring you https://aslef.org.uk/news/they-sold-their-souls-mess-pottage from ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about)'s Mick Whelan

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Colleagues, we entered the new year announcing action across the train operating companies whose hands have been tied by the Tory government at Westminster. It is the bad faith shown by those companies in negotiations last year - and the determination of the Tories to turn this into a political dispute, rather than to allow individual TOCs (Train Operating Company) to negotiate with us in the traditional way, using free collective bargaining - that caused us to have to take industrial action in furtherance of our pay and conditions protection. This should not have happened, ad does not need to happen, but has been forced upon us.

Let us not forget the other bad actors in the process: the companies themselves who sold their mercenary souls for a mess of pottage, happy to crap on their drivers, and other grades, to keep their snouts in the trough.

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I have some sympathy with that view that the companies have sold their souls, but I would differ with Mick in suggeston they are happy to crap on their drivers - some I see are desparately unhappy about it, realising the damage it does for the future.  And if they do what Mick describes as "taking their snouts out of the trough", what good would it do?  There are others who will step in to take their place. 

The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2024, 17:31:40 »

The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...

And it is they who are deserting the railway to other methods of transport. Fewer passengers will mean a reduction in train services. Which will mean a reduction in the workforce. Mr Lynch is doing untold damage to the job security of his members.
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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2024, 20:54:03 »

The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...

And it is they who are deserting the railway to other methods of transport. Fewer passengers will mean a reduction in train services. Which will mean a reduction in the workforce. Mr Lynch is doing untold damage to the job security of his members.

Indeed - and I have three examples in the last week

* One longstanding friend who has been carless is going out to buy one

* Another who's a daily commuter on shift work on our line into Swindon is taking driving lessons

* And the third who was planning to go by rail to Southampton and back has instead taken the bus even though he'll now have to go the day before to be there in time for his appointment.
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2024, 22:19:26 »

And it is they who are deserting the railway to other methods of transport. Fewer passengers will mean a reduction in train services. Which will mean a reduction in the workforce. Mr Lynch is doing untold damage to the job security of his members.

Wrong Mick.  Wink
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2024, 23:18:30 »

As far as their worldview goes, Messrs Lynch and Whelan are fairly  interchangeable. Tongue
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« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2024, 00:52:33 »


The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...

The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.

The foremost concern of all colleagues is the wholly unacceptable decimation of our terms and conditions, something that the government is totally aware of. The government believe that the cost of operating the UK (United Kingdom) railway network, some £30bn, is a total waste of money.  Their hate of rail is clearly evident.  The likes of Mark Hopwood fully understand to increase revenue they need to increase services on existing routes and bring in new routes.  The government continually blocks this and firmly believes to balance the books requires cuts to services. This frustrates not only a lot of TOCs (Train Operating Company) but also suppliers who are losing confidence in the rail industry and are turning their backs on it. The security isn’t there.  That sort of position leads to spiralling costs.
We need to shift from the current total anti-rail government to something that is more favourable and actually listens to the industry as a whole. The longer we stay as we are, the greater the damage being caused to the industry and the longer it will take to recover.
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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2024, 06:38:22 »


The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...

The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.

I can accept that - except that it has come to me for wider circulation:
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They sold their souls for a mess of pottage ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) (Press Release)

The Government don't exactly come out of this showing much concern for "passengers" or "customers" either.
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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2024, 06:59:53 »


The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...

The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.

The foremost concern of all colleagues is the wholly unacceptable decimation of our terms and conditions, something that the government is totally aware of. The government believe that the cost of operating the UK (United Kingdom) railway network, some £30bn, is a total waste of money.  Their hate of rail is clearly evident.  The likes of Mark Hopwood fully understand to increase revenue they need to increase services on existing routes and bring in new routes.  The government continually blocks this and firmly believes to balance the books requires cuts to services. This frustrates not only a lot of TOCs (Train Operating Company) but also suppliers who are losing confidence in the rail industry and are turning their backs on it. The security isn’t there.  That sort of position leads to spiralling costs.
We need to shift from the current total anti-rail government to something that is more favourable and actually listens to the industry as a whole. The longer we stay as we are, the greater the damage being caused to the industry and the longer it will take to recover.

..........and breathe....... Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2024, 08:17:27 »

Don't talk about religion or politics!
Both have their pro's and con's, and never the twain shall meet.
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2024, 17:29:11 »


The words "passenger" and "customer" do not appear in the column ...

The words “passenger” and “customer” do not appear in the column because he is talking to “colleagues”.

The foremost concern of all colleagues is the wholly unacceptable decimation of our terms and conditions, something that the government is totally aware of. The government believe that the cost of operating the UK (United Kingdom) railway network, some £30bn, is a total waste of money.  Their hate of rail is clearly evident.  The likes of Mark Hopwood fully understand to increase revenue they need to increase services on existing routes and bring in new routes.  The government continually blocks this and firmly believes to balance the books requires cuts to services. This frustrates not only a lot of TOCs (Train Operating Company) but also suppliers who are losing confidence in the rail industry and are turning their backs on it. The security isn’t there.  That sort of position leads to spiralling costs.
We need to shift from the current total anti-rail government to something that is more favourable and actually listens to the industry as a whole. The longer we stay as we are, the greater the damage being caused to the industry and the longer it will take to recover.

..........and breathe....... Smiley

I’ve waffled…. and gone off on one!  Man flu and sleep deprivation.  Grin
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2024, 19:24:38 »

I don’t think many of us have a problem with you showing a bit of passion about the subject.
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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2024, 07:16:35 »

I don’t think many of us have a problem with you showing a bit of passion about the subject.

Nothing wrong with a good vent now and again, especially if it helps blow the manflu away!  Smiley
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