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« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2023, 18:08:22 » |
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The recent First Kernow bus strike saw a minority of union members 'intimidating' others by hard staring at certain vantage points.
Feelings still run deep between strikers and non strikers.
Paddington Bear used the same tactic. But that's a fictional character, the relationship between strikers and workers who cross picket lines is real life |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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TaplowGreen
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« Reply #121 on: March 01, 2023, 06:35:31 » |
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The recent First Kernow bus strike saw a minority of union members 'intimidating' others by hard staring at certain vantage points.
Feelings still run deep between strikers and non strikers.
Paddington Bear used the same tactic. But that's a fictional character, the relationship between strikers and workers who cross picket lines is real life I'm indebted to you for that clarification. |
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JayMac
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« Reply #122 on: March 01, 2023, 19:39:50 » |
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But that's a fictional character,
Paddington Bear isn't real??!!  Say it isn't so.  |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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ChrisB
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« Reply #123 on: March 06, 2023, 14:43:22 » |
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Talks to avoid more rail strikes on brink of failure From The BBC» National level talks between the Rail Delivery Group and the RMT▸ appear to be on the brink of failure, as another train strike looms next Thursday.
Now, the RDG‡, which represents train companies, has written to the union saying that if the latest offer is not put to union members in a vote, national level talks may not resume.
It says talks would have to be opened between the RMT and each individual train company involved.
The RMT has been contacted for comment.
The national rail dispute has been at an impasse since the RMT's national executive committee rejected "best and final" offers from rail bosses.
The RDG will wait for the RMT's response before deciding how to proceed.
The Rail Delivery Group (RDG) and the RMT - the largest rail union - have been negotiating for months.
Unions have been calling for an unconditional pay offer during talks with the RDG and Network Rail.
The RMT has previously said it is "focused on coming to a negotiated settlement", and that it had carried out an "in-depth consultation" before the decision to reject was made. As well as an unconditional pay offer, it called for "a job security agreement and no detrimental changes being imposed on members' terms, conditions and working practices".
The government and industry have said all along that any pay increase must be on condition of "reforms".
The industry viewed the demand for an "unconditional" pay offer as rejecting the premise of negotiations.
Rail workers have been offered pay rises of 5% for 2022/23 and 4% for 2023/4, in exchange for changes to working practices.
The government controls how much money is on the table and has to sign off on what is agreed. There has been no sign it is prepared to enable further offers to be made.
A smaller union, the TSSA» , has accepted.
Network Rail boss Andrew Haines has also cast doubt on the prospect of negotiations resuming, expressing frustration.
He said: "We are having to take stock because three consecutive times we've agreed… what we believed was an in principle deal with the negotiators, only for it to be rejected three times by the executive committee of the RMT."
Network Rail hopes that more trains will be able to run on 16 March compared with previous strikes, however the service that is on offer will still be very limited.
Separately, the train drivers' union Aslef has held a series of meetings with the RDG in recent weeks, after its initial offer was strongly rejected. The union viewed it as a chance to start again with a blank sheet.
Aslef currently has no more strikes in the diary but further action is possible without a breakthrough. It says talks would have to be opened between the RMT and each individual train company involved. - isn't that what the RMT has been suggesting almost from the start? |
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« Reply #124 on: March 06, 2023, 14:59:45 » |
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"The government and industry have said all along that any pay increase must be on condition of reforms. The industry viewed the demand for an "unconditional" pay offer as rejecting the premise of negotiations".
I think this is a pivotal point - if the RMT▸ think they are going to get an unconditional pay offer which isn't linked to reforms to reduce costs at a time of falling demand and income and a rising cost base then they are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Taxpayer subsidies to the railways are already huge - how much more are the public going to tolerate without mitigation from the industry?
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« Reply #125 on: March 06, 2023, 22:48:45 » |
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Much of the money goes to the Rolling stock companies and for profit. Why cant the offer be the same as for firefighters to which no conditions were attached?
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« Reply #126 on: March 07, 2023, 07:41:05 » |
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Talks to avoid more rail strikes on brink of failure From The BBC» National level talks between the Rail Delivery Group and the RMT▸ appear to be on the brink of failure, as another train strike looms next Thursday.
Now, the RDG‡, which represents train companies, has written to the union saying that if the latest offer is not put to union members in a vote, national level talks may not resume.
It says talks would have to be opened between the RMT and each individual train company involved.
....................... It says talks would have to be opened between the RMT and each individual train company involved. - isn't that what the RMT has been suggesting almost from the start? I just wonder if this says more about a lack of agreement between the employers, that is some of the employers may be willing or in a better place to offer a deal that they believe the Union members in their business will accept, the DfT» (Government) putting the RDG in the lead to get a single deal across all the TOC▸ 's flys in the face of one of the concepts of rail privatisation was the to "break the power of the Unions" "The government and industry have said all along that any pay increase must be on condition of reforms. The industry viewed the demand for an "unconditional" pay offer as rejecting the premise of negotiations".
I think this is a pivotal point - if the RMT think they are going to get an unconditional pay offer which isn't linked to reforms to reduce costs at a time of falling demand and income and a rising cost base then they are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Taxpayer subsidies to the railways are already huge - how much more are the public going to tolerate without mitigation from the industry?
The RMT do not want an unconditional pay offer, they have always been open to negotiation, and there is evidence of give an take of both the Unions and employers but this is being constrained by the Government. The cynic in me says the main reason why the Government are now willing to talk to the NHS Unions on a pay deal is the Local Elections in May where NHS strikes would be politically bad news especially is strikes happened on Polling Day |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #128 on: March 07, 2023, 09:52:07 » |
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This article is over a month old! |
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« Reply #131 on: March 20, 2023, 13:43:27 » |
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RMT▸ members at Network Rail vote to accept pay deal From the BBC» Thousands of signal workers and maintenance staff in the RMT have voted to accept an offer from Network Rail.
It means they will not take part in any more strikes in the long-running dispute over pay, jobs and working conditions.
RMT members who work for 14 train operating companies are still due to walk out on 30 March and 1 April.
But the Network Rail result will be seen as a significant breakthrough.
RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said the dispute was now over, but said RMT members at the train operating companies would continue to strike unless they received the "right offer".
"The ball is in the government's court," he added.
The question now is whether this opens the door to progress on the train companies' side of the dispute.
The deal has been accepted after Network Rail amended its previously rejected offer of a 5% pay rise for 2022 and a 4% increase this year.
The government did not put any more money on the table, but the tweaked proposals backdated this year's pay increase by three months, meaning workers end up with a bigger lump sum upfront.
The RMT said the offer amounted to an uplift on salaries of between 14.4% for the lowest paid grades to 9.2% for the highest paid.
The package also included heavily discounted leisure travel.
There have been a string of rail strikes since June last year.
Without signalling staff involved, the disruption caused by RMT's walkouts is on a slightly smaller scale. Operators not directly involved are unaffected.
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« Reply #132 on: March 21, 2023, 10:54:59 » |
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I'm going from WSM to Cardiff on Thursday 30th around lunchtime, and then return the next day late morning
Does anyone know when the timetables will be finalised for those dates please?
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ChrisB
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« Reply #133 on: March 21, 2023, 11:15:36 » |
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Roughly 2-3 days before hand, so likely to be Monday next week, similar to last week's strikes
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