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« Reply #315 on: September 02, 2015, 22:43:03 » |
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Why won't fgw admit defeat and publicly denounce network fail for their Thames Valley car crash this year (and last).
It doesn't function. Full stop. Even I as a despiser of fgw want fgw to make the blame 110% clear
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« Reply #316 on: September 03, 2015, 00:07:47 » |
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I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #317 on: September 03, 2015, 07:31:45 » |
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I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.
I think the agreement is only in relation to public criticism. I hope that in private there is a very robust debate. |
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« Reply #318 on: September 03, 2015, 08:07:01 » |
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I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.
............and of course the customers not only pay for FGW▸ through their tickets, but NR» through their taxes......and so we also pay the compensation that Network Rail (NR) pay FGW (the details of which are top secret!), and for the few crumbs of compo which are cast from the table back at us with 5% reductions every month, what a great merry go round! "Very robust debate"? Well it doesn't seem to generate very robust actions or results. Edit; VickiS - Clarifying Acronym |
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« Reply #319 on: September 06, 2015, 16:52:56 » |
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Miserable journey home for some............
Alterations to services between Bath Spa and Swindon
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Bath Spa and Swindon all lines are closed.
Impact
Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:30 06/09.
Further Information
Road transport will operate between Bath Spa, Chippenham and Swindon as required.
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« Reply #320 on: September 06, 2015, 17:20:09 » |
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I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.
I think though that the public should be made fully aware whose responsibility is what. Only today with the overrun between Bath and Chippenham this afternoon, I have noticed FGW▸ received many complaints and even abuse directed at them for something that is not their responsibility. Why should TOCs▸ have to take the blame from passengers when it is something completely outside their control. "Gentlemen's agreement" or not, we should have some fairness here so far as the public perceive the railway. |
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« Reply #321 on: September 06, 2015, 17:37:16 » |
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Criticism of Network Rail is, by extension, criticism of government. The TOCs▸ , when taking on franchises, sign up to being HMG's shield.
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #322 on: September 06, 2015, 18:14:03 » |
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Now signalling problems at Paddington affecting platforms 8-14.
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« Reply #323 on: September 06, 2015, 18:31:13 » |
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Criticism of Network Rail is, by extension, criticism of government. The TOCs▸ , when taking on franchises, sign up to being HMG's shield.
Gives the passengers a poor impression of the TOC when things go wrong |
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« Reply #324 on: September 06, 2015, 18:51:02 » |
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Miserable journey home for some............
Alterations to services between Bath Spa and Swindon
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Bath Spa and Swindon all lines are closed.
Impact
Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:30 06/09.
Further Information
Road transport will operate between Bath Spa, Chippenham and Swindon as required.
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« Reply #325 on: September 07, 2015, 20:48:20 » |
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I believe that there is a "gentleman's agreement" not to criticise each other in the rail industry. Criticising network rail who are a government department in all but name, is also probably not a wise move when franchise renewal or not is being considered.
It would certainly be unwise for anyone who hopes for a senior position in government or politics after their stint on the railways.
I think the agreement is only in relation to public criticism. I hope that in private there is a very robust debate. Criticism of Network Rail is, by extension, criticism of government. The TOCs▸ , when taking on franchises, sign up to being HMG's shield.
NR» always accepts the responsibility when its infrastructure fails and does not ask the TOCs to hide that fact; what it does expect is professionalism, that is state a delay, for example, is due to a signal failure etc. but not to make snide, over egged remarks or excessive articles in the media which was the case a few years ago |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #326 on: September 12, 2015, 12:29:44 » |
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Indeed, NR» pit their name to apology notices when their side goes seriously tits-up
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« Reply #327 on: September 19, 2015, 15:31:06 » |
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Not looking good for this evenings rush hour. Signal failure between Paddington and Slough resulting in numerous cancellations or trains serving only part of the route.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #328 on: September 20, 2015, 16:32:52 » |
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There was also a signal failure at Hanwell yesterday morning.. I got the 12.17 from Maidenhead to Paddington which left half an hour or more late.. By the time we left Slough we were full up so the remaining stops were interesting to say the least. We left lots of people behind.
I was on the 19.57 home. There appeared to be some good planning that had gone on. The 19.42 was advertised first.. Once the hordes had sprinted off (most of them literally) to platform 13 the 19.57 was announced and left Paddington virtually empty (I was with my children and we had a carriage to ourselves). The 19.42 had already gone but we were allowed to pass it. The 19.57 was advertised as first stop Hayes and Harlington but was also (it appears) scheduled to pick up only at Ealing Broadway. This meant the people there had more than enough room (just) to get on the train and that the 19.42 which was already full didn't leave people at Ealing Broadway behind..
Hopefully the issues are all sorted out now before tomorrow's commute.
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« Reply #329 on: September 21, 2015, 08:16:55 » |
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Train failure outside Paddington. I've already lost 22 minutes since leaving Reading on a direct service.
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