CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

Bob_Blakey

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Re: CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2024, 10:24:22 »

Pedant Alert!

These are not new trains or carriages and it would be really good if the media could be persuaded to stop describing them as such.

I am not convinced by the proposed external decoration but the replacement interiors do look like a major improvement.


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Mark A

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Re: CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2024, 11:15:11 »

The forthcoming replacement interiors: are there visuals to be found please?

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Re: CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2024, 17:01:48 »

Some images at https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/xc-voyager-refurbishment.261302/page-15


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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2024, 19:49:39 »

Hmm, 5000k daylight lighting, grey / light grey theme and Corporate Memphis feel to the artwork. Still, indirect lighting though which is good.

Why did rail companies discard the idea of warm calming interiors on trains? This stuff can look very bleak especially when it's dark outside.

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Re: CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2024, 23:04:53 »

Safe, reliable, value for money, comfortable, clean. All those are more important for me than interior colour schemes and liveries.

That said, I'd like to see every long distance train in BR^▸ InterCity Swallow livery. Tongue


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Re: CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2024, 22:02:26 »

It looks like Cross Country are removing first class from their Class 170 Turbostar services (Cardiff-Nottingham and Birmingham-Leicester/Stanstead) From the timetable change on the 15th December.

These trains are due for refurb so may mean the 2+1 seats are replaced with 2+2


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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2024, 12:19:45 »

Quote from: JayMac on May 08, 2024, 23:04:53

Yet good interior design contributes to all five of those qualities. Safe. Reliable. Value for money. Comfortable. Clean.

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Re: CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2024, 20:50:31 »

Quote from: TonyN on December 02, 2024, 22:02:26

These trains are due for refurb so may mean the 2+1 seats are replaced with 2+2

Mmmmm ...............and if you replace the existing 2+2 seats with 2+3 seats that gives you 25% more seats (now where have I heard/seen that one before ??) Gosh, I am getting cynical in my old age.


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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2024, 04:27:10 »

I have been cynical for many years.
"Providing more seats" sounds good but too often means higher density seating rather than longer trains.


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Re: CrossCountry upgrade will see 25% more rail seats

« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2024, 07:02:58 »

Quote from: broadgage on December 04, 2024, 04:27:10

I have been cynical for many years.

Surely not? Wink


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