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From The GuardianA new EU» digital border system that will require fingerprints and facial scans to be taken from British travellers on first use is expected to launch next autumn, according to reports.
The entry/exit system (EES) is earmarked to start on 6 October 2024, according to the i and Times newspapers, citing Getlink, the owner of Eurotunnel. The Guardian has contacted Getlink for comment.
Eurotunnel, which runs a car transport service between Folkestone and Calais, is said to be testing the technology, in which personal data will be collected at borders and entered into an EU-wide database.
Under the EES, passengers would have to agree to fingerprinting and facial image capture the first time they arrived on the continent. After that, the data, including any record of refused entry, should allow quicker processing, according to travel bosses. |
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2023, 18:58:22 » |
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Brexit bonus.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2023, 07:12:29 » |
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Brexit bonus.
A visa (EITAS) scheme was something David Cameron pushed the EU» to adopt when he was PM as a way of the EU to control its boarders. |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2023, 08:13:29 » |
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Hopefully the UK▸ will adopt the same practice - good way to keep some of the undesirables out.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2023, 08:48:57 » |
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Hopefully the UK▸ will adopt the same practice - good way to keep some of the undesirables out.
I cannot see it happening anytime soon, we don't even stamp EU» visitors passports on entry into the UK and there are no checks on the way out of the UK to check if someone has overstayed. Taking back control of our borders .................... what a joke |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2023, 09:42:25 » |
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.....Taking back control of our borders .................... what a joke
Indeed. I have decided that at the next GE my support will only potentially be lent to a party that has declared a manifesto commitment to UK▸ border exit checks. |
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2023, 15:48:43 » |
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Hopefully the UK▸ will adopt the same practice - good way to keep some of the undesirables out.
How many of these 'undesirables' as you call them attempt to gain entry to the UK through the use of legitimate border entry points? The EES system is replacing the stamping of a passport, while additionally gathering the biometric data of legimate travellers. It is not going to deter a single person attempting to reach the UK by other, less legitimate, means. |
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2023, 16:26:48 » |
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Hopefully the UK▸ will adopt the same practice - good way to keep some of the undesirables out.
How many of these 'undesirables' as you call them attempt to gain entry to the UK through the use of legitimate border entry points? The EES system is replacing the stamping of a passport, while additionally gathering the biometric data of legimate travellers. It is not going to deter a single person attempting to reach the UK by other, less legitimate, means. I don't know, and neither do you. You may consider that it isn't a deterrent, however it would appear that perhaps better informed people than yourself consider it to be worth a trial on those travelling the other way, so why not duplicate it? This type of scanning and fingerprint capture is a powerful tool - basically the more difficult you make it, the less likely it is to happen and it's certainly a great deal better than a cursory glance at a Passport. Happy to hear your own thoughts on alternatives? |
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2023, 18:29:32 » |
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Alternatives aren't needed for a problem that doesn't exist.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2023, 20:07:48 » |
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Hopefully the UK▸ will adopt the same practice - good way to keep some of the undesirables out.
How many of these 'undesirables' as you call them attempt to gain entry to the UK through the use of legitimate border entry points? The EES system is replacing the stamping of a passport, while additionally gathering the biometric data of legimate travellers. It is not going to deter a single person attempting to reach the UK by other, less legitimate, means. Exactly The system is not about controlling the UK Border, its to control the Border into the EU» to ensure that us "undesirable" UK citizens do not overstay 90 days in any 180 in the EU |
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2023, 20:21:46 » |
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Put these 'fingerprint and facial scans' on to a universal national identity card that is required to access accommodation, health, wealth, employment and welfare (like most of Europe) and the problem with uncontrolled immigration would reduce significantly overnight.
Those that support draconian (and ultimately, useless border controls) are the staunchest opponants of identity cards.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2023, 21:05:27 » |
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Those identity cards in Europe don't stop migration to the countries that have them. Asylum seekers continue to cross the Mediterranean.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2023, 21:18:00 » |
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Those identity cards in Europe don't stop migration to the countries that have them. Asylum seekers continue to cross the Mediterranean.
Indeed, They move on ... Towards us. |
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2023, 21:33:42 » |
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The moderator team notes this thread and thanks members for staying within our guidelines which welcome varied views ... but ask you not to cross over the line into personal attack. Like others here, I have strong views but I'm keeping my moderator hat on and not jumping in.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2023, 21:41:22 » |
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but ask you not to cross over the line into personal attack Please rest assured Graham and team, it will not be I. |
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