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« on: May 13, 2023, 11:41:55 » |
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Within the UK▸ Rail Forums website I have seen mentions of a 'Project (or Operation) Churchward' - which apparently concerns the wholesale replacement of existing GWR▸ regional rolling stock with a single 'one design fits all' train - but interweb searches produce no other references.
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grahame
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2023, 12:20:05 » |
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Within the UK▸ Rail Forums website I have seen mentions of a 'Project (or Operation) Churchward' - which apparently concerns the wholesale replacement of existing GWR▸ regional rolling stock with a single 'one design fits all' train - but interweb searches produce no other references.
There's a very brief reference to it on page 15 of the GWR Stakeholder briefing of last November on the TWSW» web site: http://travelwatchsouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/TWSW-Oct22.pptx |
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2023, 13:46:41 » |
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Stadler FLIRTs please.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2023, 14:15:01 » |
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Within the UK▸ Rail Forums website I have seen mentions of a 'Project (or Operation) Churchward' - which apparently concerns the wholesale replacement of existing GWR▸ regional rolling stock with a single 'one design fits all' train - but interweb searches produce no other references.
Single manufacturer with a 30 years maintain and support contract is the approach DfT» have been taking |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2023, 14:43:51 » |
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Stadler FLIRTs please.
Indeed. Preferably the tri-mode version. |
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2023, 18:49:45 » |
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Cascade the IETs▸ to regional services, scrapping them is far too expensive.
Build proper inter city trains for the routes presently suffering IETs.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2023, 08:57:29 » |
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Cascade the IETs▸ to regional services, scrapping them is far too expensive.
Build proper inter city trains for the routes presently suffering IETs.
Quoting a member - "oooooooooooooooos gonna pay for it" |
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2023, 11:49:57 » |
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Cascade the IETs▸ to regional services, scrapping them is far too expensive.
Build proper inter city trains for the routes presently suffering IETs.
Quoting a member - "oooooooooooooooos gonna pay for it" Isn’t the point of an investment that you get more money back than you put in? So the question should, perhaps, be - “ooooooooooooooooos gonna pocket the profit” |
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Things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2024, 22:53:47 » |
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Latest suggestions is that GWR▸ are to take on the class 175s to allow the final class 255s hsts to be withdrawn as well as to allow and internal cascade of stock such as the 150s for the Devon and Cornwall metro services, 165s for metrowest around Bristol and 158s to increase capacity on Cardiff to Portsmouth hbr services
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REVUpminster
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2024, 13:34:55 » |
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175s going to Exeter in place of 158s is doing the rounds on websites. Problem with them they will not increase capacity at Barnstaple (if a 3 car 175) or Okehampton (if a 2 car 175). Inevitably some will end up Paignton-Exmouth as do the 158s. Also they would have to be cleared to Axminster especially if the service is increased.
If a five car (2+3) is used at Barnstaple to increase capacity, could it still reverse at Exmouth siding.
Two 150 units would be released from Okehampton, but they will probably be needed in Cornwall so Paignton-Exmouth will still need turbos.
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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2024, 15:46:03 » |
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Bet they'll look lovely in green though :-)
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anthony215
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2024, 21:04:09 » |
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175s going to Exeter in place of 158s is doing the rounds on websites. Problem with them they will not increase capacity at Barnstaple (if a 3 car 175) or Okehampton (if a 2 car 175). Inevitably some will end up Paignton-Exmouth as do the 158s. Also they would have to be cleared to Axminster especially if the service is increased.
I've been told this by a few people who are usually pretty spot on. No doubt dft have realised they can get a good deal abd can reduce costs by replacing castle hsts and dont need to refurbish the 175s as tfw already did it. It also frees up class 150/158/165's to boost capacity on other routes such as Cardiff to Portsmouth hbr and metro West services around Bristol. 150/2's can be boost capacity in Cornwall etc. There was talk of seated Barnstaple services possibly worked by a pair of 2 carriage class 175s If a five car (2+3) is used at Barnstaple to increase capacity, could it still reverse at Exmouth siding.
Two 150 units would be released from Okehampton, but they will probably be needed in Cornwall so Paignton-Exmouth will still need turbos.
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RichardB
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2024, 10:03:19 » |
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Interesting to see the talk about the 175s. Surely it's more 158s and 150s from Wales that we need? The 175s would need to be route cleared and then there are the additional complications of managing another quite small fleet of trains. I'd be surprised to see this happen.
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2024, 10:39:22 » |
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Interesting to see the talk about the 175s. Surely it's more 158s and 150s from Wales that we need? The 175s would need to be route cleared and then there are the additional complications of managing another quite small fleet of trains. I'd be surprised to see this happen.
I think the idea is to replace the 158s at Exeter so they would still only maintain 2 fleets with 165/166s stabling at Exeter as they do now but maintained at Bristol. |
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RichardB
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2024, 14:39:47 » |
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Interesting to see the talk about the 175s. Surely it's more 158s and 150s from Wales that we need? The 175s would need to be route cleared and then there are the additional complications of managing another quite small fleet of trains. I'd be surprised to see this happen.
I think the idea is to replace the 158s at Exeter so they would still only maintain 2 fleets with 165/166s stabling at Exeter as they do now but maintained at Bristol. Of course, we'll see in time. If the 175s come to Exeter, as well as route clearance, all the crews will need to be trained on them and Exeter Depot staff will need to be trained on how to maintain them, as well as have a stock of spares on hand. None of it is impossible but it would be a big investment (in time and money) that could be avoided if some of the Welsh 158s and 150s come our way instead. |
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