TfL plan to scrap Travelcards

[whole diary]

[Electric train]

Petition here to stop it happening (and yes, it's been organised by the Tories but if it does the trick or at least creates further debate it's worthwhile)

 https://letstalk.conservatives.com/1554D67B-E3E4-ED11-A3B1-00505693FFD8#!/?deliveryName=DM22568#start-survey

Great the media team who put the petition together is up to date and current with the current rolling stock at Paddington

Makes you wonder how they could get such a critical detail wrong - undermines the whole effort.

That's simple to answer just look at the Political Party running the petition 

[TaplowGreen]

Petition here to stop it happening (and yes, it's been organised by the Tories but if it does the trick or at least creates further debate it's worthwhile)

 https://letstalk.conservatives.com/1554D67B-E3E4-ED11-A3B1-00505693FFD8#!/?deliveryName=DM22568#start-survey

Great the media team who put the petition together is up to date and current with the current rolling stock at Paddington

Makes you wonder how they could get such a critical detail wrong - undermines the whole effort.

That's simple to answer just look at the Political Party running the petition 

Notwithstanding this appalling and unforgiveable oversight, I have signed the petition.........whilst indicating that I don't want any correspondence from the Conservative Party.

[Electric train]

Petition here to stop it happening (and yes, it's been organised by the Tories but if it does the trick or at least creates further debate it's worthwhile)

 https://letstalk.conservatives.com/1554D67B-E3E4-ED11-A3B1-00505693FFD8#!/?deliveryName=DM22568#start-survey

Great the media team who put the petition together is up to date and current with the current rolling stock at Paddington

Makes you wonder how they could get such a critical detail wrong - undermines the whole effort.

That's simple to answer just look at the Political Party running the petition 

Notwithstanding this appalling and unforgiveable oversight, I have signed the petition.........whilst indicating that I don't want any correspondence from the Conservative Party.

A wise move although can you trust them to keep that promise 

I do find it a bit rich that the Conservatives are up in arms about this, it is them in power at Westminster which has cut the funding to TfL^» (Transport for London - about). 

The Mayor for London has to look after his Council Tax payers, the Government perhaps did not consider the full consequences when they cut the TfL budget. 

I see the petition as a Local Election canvasing tool by the Conservatives, the blue wall around London has a number of Local Elections this week which they have a big fear of the blue wall being knocked down

[ChrisB]

This consultation was a specified condition of the last settlement, so the Tories knew exactly that this would happen!

[Ralph Ayres]

I'd be interested to see the figures behind the claim on the petition page that "Scrapping Day TravelCards could cost YOU an extra £9.30".  It will vary greatly by each person's mix of journeys, where they change to LU and so on. It's true that many people will pay more than they currently do, but the add-on to the London Terminals price isn't fixed so far as I know, and some people do buy Travelcards when it would be cheaper not to.

It's also worth noting that the proposal applies only to Day Travelcards, not weekly and longer period ones, though far fewer people are buying these now of course thanks to working from home, and TfL^» (Transport for London - about) have refused to join in with the Flexiseason scheme which would help. They may be hoping that period Travelcards will just die a natural death.

[TaplowGreen]

Last chance to take part in the consultation................

https://busandtrainuser.com/2023/05/21/two-days-to-save-day-travelcards/#more-45130

[4064ReadingAbbey]

I have commented on TfL^» (Transport for London - about)'s proposal and said that I have a National Rail Disabled Railcard. As you all know this permits me a reduced rate on both the mainline railway and the Tubes and buses in London. I don't have an Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) card and would have to use ‘contactless’ payment for my onward journey once I have reached Paddington or Waterloo.

Although contactless payment has a daily expenditure cap it will not possible to take advantage of the reduced rate for journeys within TfL’s area as it is not possible to link my Disabled Railcard to my bank card.

This is discriminatory and disadvantageous to those with disabilities. It seems to me that the proposal is, quite possibly, illegal and TfL should abandon it.

[ChrisB]

It’s not discriminatory unless they remove the Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) card. You would need to obtain an Oyster card and link your railcard and payment card to it.

[Oxonhutch]

You would need to obtain an Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) card and link your railcard and payment card to it.

It is the reason I have and use Oyster, so that I get my Senior Railcard discount.

[ChrisB]

I need to go & do that too for the same reason....wish me luck!

[stuving]

Last chance to take part in the consultation................

https://busandtrainuser.com/2023/05/21/two-days-to-save-day-travelcards/#more-45130

The TfL^» (Transport for London - about) page for this now says "Engagement closes 06 June 2023", so presumably it has been extended by two weeks.

[ray951]

To no great surprise the Mayor of London says that One Day Travelcards are to be scrapped, apparently Londoners are subsidising the rest of us to the tune of £40m a year.

So ticket office closing, travelcards scraped, wifi and on-board food going/gone, never ending strikes, what is the point of going by train?

What happened to net-zero and the need to reduce our CO2 usage, I guess we will have to go everywhere by electric car.

Rant over 

[TaplowGreen]

To no great surprise the Mayor of London says that One Day Travelcards are to be scrapped, apparently Londoners are subsidising the rest of us to the tune of £40m a year.

So ticket office closing, travelcards scraped, wifi and on-board food going/gone, never ending strikes, what is the point of going by train?

What happened to net-zero and the need to reduce our CO2 usage, I guess we will have to go everywhere by electric car.

Rant over 

Shouldn't make any difference though - using contactless or Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) means you won't be worse off?

[ChrisB]

The cap on both contactless & Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) is *more* than the add-on for a one-Day travelcard.....

Can you point to where is states this on the tfl website?

[edit] found it now, thanks!

[ray951]

To no great surprise the Mayor of London says that One Day Travelcards are to be scrapped, apparently Londoners are subsidising the rest of us to the tune of £40m a year.

So ticket office closing, travelcards scraped, wifi and on-board food going/gone, never ending strikes, what is the point of going by train?

What happened to net-zero and the need to reduce our CO2 usage, I guess we will have to go everywhere by electric car.

Rant over 

Shouldn't make any difference though - using contactless or Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) means you won't be worse off?

If that was the case why scrap the Travelcard?

Also it is much harder if travelling as a family, as you get 4 paper cards one each. How do you replicate that with 2 adults and 2 children, do I need 4 debit/credit cards?

Form Didcot an off-peak return to Paddington is £37.40 and Travelcard is £39.20 - £1.80 difference that won't get many tube/bus journeys.
And if you have a railcard the difference is £1.20.

So can you please tell me how I am not going to be worse off?