TfL plan to scrap Travelcards

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/tfl-to-raid-home-counties-passengers-to-make-40million-extra-per-year-as-it-plans-to-scrap-day-travelcards/ar-AA1a0QJJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d1a89b3d722145edaf77a8f4708098ba&ei=16

[eightonedee]

What a disgraceful idea. Surely the mayor should be encouraging visitors to London to use public transport by making it as easy as possible to travel in and use any mode of public transport to get around once they are there?

[Electric train]

What a disgraceful idea. Surely the mayor should be encouraging visitors to London to use public transport by making it as easy as possible to travel in and use any mode of public transport to get around once they are there?

I agree he should and he indeed he does encourage visitors to London; however where the National Government have placed a squeeze on the funding it gives to TfL^» (Transport for London - about) the Mayor for London cannot pass on costs to the Council Tax payers of London to subsidise the rest of the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) travel in London.   

All Local Authorities are doing similar things the Heathrow - Maidenhead No 4 bus will now terminate in Cippenham due to Slough Council reducing its subsidy, the Council cite why should they subsides travel in another Councils area which does not contribute to the costs.   I'm sure there are many other examples around the country

[grahame]

All Local Authorities are doing similar things the Heathrow - Maidenhead No 4 bus will now terminate in Cippenham due to Slough Council reducing its subsidy, the Council cite why should they subsides travel in another Councils area which does not contribute to the costs.   I'm sure there are many other examples around the country

Yes there are.  I am writing from my home in a county with eight neighbours; the miracle is just how many issues get sorted out on without anything said in news feeds.  I have the most enormous respect for our council officers here in Wiltshire who do this work, and who work closely with the bus companies around here most of whom are really on side.     ((I could really head off topic here ...))

[ChrisB]

This comsultation was forced on Sadiq Khan by the latest Govt funding settlement as a requirement. Bear in mind its only the DAY travelcards - weekly & longer are unaffected

[grahame]

Bear in mind its only the DAY travelcards - weekly & longer are unaffected

Of course - designed to charge the tourist and visitors more, and leave the regular user ("voter") with the current system.

This brings to mind other ticketing options in the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) which are only available to none-residents ... a regularisation and simplification of fares should also allow anyone to buy and user Britrail and Interrail tickets for use in the UK no matter where they reside.

[didcotdean]

It may not raise the revenue expected as people will change their behaviour. Not just travel into London less often, but use an alternative route to get closer on National Rail, use buses rather than tubes, be more 'creative' with their ticket buying etc. There may also be people that are buying them habitually but not getting the full value.

[TaplowGreen]

Bear in mind its only the DAY travelcards - weekly & longer are unaffected

Of course - designed to charge the tourist and visitors more, and leave the regular user ("voter") with the current system.

This brings to mind other ticketing options in the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) which are only available to none-residents ... a regularisation and simplification of fares should also allow anyone to buy and user Britrail and Interrail tickets for use in the UK no matter where they reside.

I'd suspect its also an attempt to shore up revenue given the drop-off in commuting.

Given that a lot of people only commute into central London one or two days per week now in the age of hybrid working and don't purchase weekly/monthly/longer tickets, it'll by no means be only tourists and visitors who are affected.

[Electric train]

Bear in mind its only the DAY travelcards - weekly & longer are unaffected

Of course - designed to charge the tourist and visitors more, and leave the regular user ("voter") with the current system.

This brings to mind other ticketing options in the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) which are only available to none-residents ... a regularisation and simplification of fares should also allow anyone to buy and user Britrail and Interrail tickets for use in the UK no matter where they reside.

I'd suspect its also an attempt to shore up revenue given the drop-off in commuting.

Given that a lot of people only commute into central London one or two days per week now in the age of hybrid working and don't purchase weekly/monthly/longer tickets, it'll by no means be only tourists and visitors who are affected.

We should not forget the origin of the word Commuter, it comes from the commutation ticket used in the USA,  "a ticket issued at a reduced rate, as by a railroad or bus company, entitling the holder to travel over a given route a fixed number of times or during a specified period".
May the season ticket is the earliest form of loyalty discount?

[ChrisB]

It will also mean that TfL^» (Transport for London - about) get 100% of the contactless/Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) PAYG^▸ (Pay as you go), rather than splitting it with the TOCs^▸ (Train Operating Company), which will achieve the shoring up their income aim

[rogerw]

It will also mean that TfL^» (Transport for London - about) get 100% of the contactless/Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) PAYG^▸ (Pay as you go), rather than splitting it with the TOCs^▸ (Train Operating Company), which will achieve the shoring up their income aim

Surely they will still have to reimburse TOCs for those parts of the journey not on TfL services

[ChrisB]

We’ll have to see whether TfL^» (Transport for London - about) contactless/Oyster^▸ (Smartcard system used by passengers on Transport for London services) gets approved for rail use beyond current boindaries. But yes to rail use within the current zones where reimbursement is already automatic.

Currenntly, the TOCs^▸ (Train Operating Company) retain a % for each travelcard, whether or not ther is any further rail use after arriving within the zones. That won’t happen if thidms gets approved & TOCs will only receive recompense should rail be used within the zonal area

[TaplowGreen]

Petition here to stop it happening (and yes, it's been organised by the Tories but if it does the trick or at least creates further debate it's worthwhile)

 https://letstalk.conservatives.com/1554D67B-E3E4-ED11-A3B1-00505693FFD8#!/?deliveryName=DM22568#start-survey

[Electric train]

Petition here to stop it happening (and yes, it's been organised by the Tories but if it does the trick or at least creates further debate it's worthwhile)

 https://letstalk.conservatives.com/1554D67B-E3E4-ED11-A3B1-00505693FFD8#!/?deliveryName=DM22568#start-survey

Great the media team who put the petition together is up to date and current with the current rolling stock at Paddington

[TaplowGreen]

Petition here to stop it happening (and yes, it's been organised by the Tories but if it does the trick or at least creates further debate it's worthwhile)

 https://letstalk.conservatives.com/1554D67B-E3E4-ED11-A3B1-00505693FFD8#!/?deliveryName=DM22568#start-survey

Great the media team who put the petition together is up to date and current with the current rolling stock at Paddington

Makes you wonder how they could get such a critical detail wrong - undermines the whole effort.