Low density refurbed HSTs

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[12hoursunday]

http://anoraksia.ukgeeks.co.uk/p6932211.html

Hang on minute. The link you've included is the one for a Family Carriage before the refurbishment which had mostly if not all seats with tables. Is this a ploy to mis-lead us.

Find a picture of coaches ABC or D and you will find that where there are airline seats included in those carriages there are seats situated at tables that are in line with the pillars.

Vacman was right!

Room was always an issue ( at least for me ) because to get to the window of an old set with a table required climbing over the fixed arm rest in the middle. I prefer sitting in the new airline type seats which I feel are O.K

[Andy W]

http://anoraksia.ukgeeks.co.uk/p6932211.html

Hang on minute. The link you've included is the one for a Family Carriage before the refurbishment which had mostly if not all seats with tables. Is this a ploy to mis-lead us.

Find a picture of coaches ABC or D and you will find that where there are airline seats included in those carriages there are seats situated at tables that are in line with the pillars.

Vacman was right!

Room was always an issue ( at least for me ) because to get to the window of an old set with a table required climbing over the fixed arm rest in the middle. I prefer sitting in the new airline type seats which I feel are O.K

No not trying to mislead you, the only picture I could find.

It's always going to be a matter of opinion, aren't you another FGW^▸ (First Great Western) employee? I was under the impression you are a driver although I may be wrong.

Is there a family carriage on the refurb carriages?

If you had trouble climbing over the armrest then they could just make it moveable - or you could sit at an aisle seat.

[Btline]

Lets not get accusing people here!

Look: it is simple, normally table seats line up with windows. I assumed that is why the windows were that size, as you can fit in a table seat conformably (NB: 153s are an exception, which have pathetic windows which are both ridiculously high, and small, so hardly any seats line up! ).

Now, in this low density set (which probably should be on the Cotswold Line more often, as according to some, no-one is on after Morton), there was a pillar there, making the view even worse than in most airlines - note what D/M said!

And can someone please tell me, with dimensions if possible, which type has more legroom: refurb or unrefurb. According to some, FGW^▸ (First Great Western) hae "squashed more seats in" and others, "there is six inches more legroom as the seats are thinner" ( ).

[devon_metro]

Airline seats have more legroom, for sure. Not convinced with regard to table seats though!

[Westernchallenger]

It would have been very easy to have designed the layouts to avoid the table seats having the window pillars in the middle of them. The windows are bigger than the seating bays, yes, and that has always been the case as the mk3 window layout was designed such that the 1st class seats (with more legroom) aligned with the windows.

If you sit in a refurbished coach it is immediately obvious how by turning round a few sets of seats it would be possible to achieve a much better window alignment. True, this would create a small number of pairs of airline seats with not much of a view but as people have said there are many who don't look out of the window at all.

Given that the seats are attached to runners, it would surely be possible to make this small modification?