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« on: July 25, 2022, 08:08:01 »

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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2022, 07:40:38 »

Nigel Harris from RAIL magazine has just tweeted that...

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Starmer has just confirmed this "I am pragmatic not ideological".
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2022, 07:48:22 »

Nigel Harris from RAIL magazine has just tweeted that...

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Starmer has just confirmed this "I am pragmatic not ideological".

Also as he mentioned a lot of the network is effectively in public hands already, providing the two lunes running from PM don't scrap GBR (Great British Railways) even more will end up in public hands
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2024, 15:59:50 »

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Rail operators stripped of profit incentive ahead of renationalisation

The Department for Transport is getting rid of an incentive scheme that allows non-publicly owned rail companies to make additional profits

According to the Financial Times, this will involve scrapping the ‘revenue outturn mechanism’ that was introduced into national rail contracts (NRCs) by the former Tory government less than a year ago.

These contracts were intended to encourage UK (United Kingdom) rail operators to grow revenue take and passenger numbers.

I have sometimes recently wondered what incentive the remaining private TOCs (Train Operating Company) have ...
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2024, 16:20:17 »

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Rail operators stripped of profit incentive ahead of renationalisation

The Department for Transport is getting rid of an incentive scheme that allows non-publicly owned rail companies to make additional profits

According to the Financial Times, this will involve scrapping the ‘revenue outturn mechanism’ that was introduced into national rail contracts (NRCs) by the former Tory government less than a year ago.

These contracts were intended to encourage UK (United Kingdom) rail operators to grow revenue take and passenger numbers.

I have sometimes recently wondered what incentive the remaining private TOCs (Train Operating Company) have ...

The agreed contract which will include profit, also there will be incentives of performance, customer satisfaction it may include an element of revenue protection; I suspect the previous Governments scheme was a bit of botch 
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2024, 16:59:57 »

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Rail operators stripped of profit incentive ahead of renationalisation

The Department for Transport is getting rid of an incentive scheme that allows non-publicly owned rail companies to make additional profits

According to the Financial Times, this will involve scrapping the ‘revenue outturn mechanism’ that was introduced into national rail contracts (NRCs) by the former Tory government less than a year ago.

These contracts were intended to encourage UK (United Kingdom) rail operators to grow revenue take and passenger numbers.

I have sometimes recently wondered what incentive the remaining private TOCs (Train Operating Company) have ...

The agreed contract which will include profit, also there will be incentives of performance, customer satisfaction it may include an element of revenue protection; I suspect the previous Governments scheme was a bit of botch 

I  can't imagine GWR (Great Western Railway) stand to make much of a margin on incentives for performance and/or customer satisfaction?

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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2024, 06:33:52 »

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Rail operators stripped of profit incentive ahead of renationalisation

The Department for Transport is getting rid of an incentive scheme that allows non-publicly owned rail companies to make additional profits

According to the Financial Times, this will involve scrapping the ‘revenue outturn mechanism’ that was introduced into national rail contracts (NRCs) by the former Tory government less than a year ago.

These contracts were intended to encourage UK (United Kingdom) rail operators to grow revenue take and passenger numbers.



I have sometimes recently wondered what incentive the remaining private TOCs (Train Operating Company) have ...

The agreed contract which will include profit, also there will be incentives of performance, customer satisfaction it may include an element of revenue protection; I suspect the previous Governments scheme was a bit of botch 

I  can't imagine GWR (Great Western Railway) stand to make much of a margin on incentives for performance and/or customer satisfaction?



Hence why those incentive metrics should be there, to pay for the canopies and bubbly at the share holders meeting
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2024, 09:25:50 »

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Rail operators stripped of profit incentive ahead of renationalisation

The Department for Transport is getting rid of an incentive scheme that allows non-publicly owned rail companies to make additional profits

According to the Financial Times, this will involve scrapping the ‘revenue outturn mechanism’ that was introduced into national rail contracts (NRCs) by the former Tory government less than a year ago.

These contracts were intended to encourage UK (United Kingdom) rail operators to grow revenue take and passenger numbers.



I have sometimes recently wondered what incentive the remaining private TOCs (Train Operating Company) have ...

The agreed contract which will include profit, also there will be incentives of performance, customer satisfaction it may include an element of revenue protection; I suspect the previous Governments scheme was a bit of botch 

I  can't imagine GWR (Great Western Railway) stand to make much of a margin on incentives for performance and/or customer satisfaction?



Hence why those incentive metrics should be there, to pay for the canopies and bubbly at the share holders meeting

Canopies? That'd be a Network Rail job wouldn't it?  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2024, 17:43:25 »

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Rail operators stripped of profit incentive ahead of renationalisation

The Department for Transport is getting rid of an incentive scheme that allows non-publicly owned rail companies to make additional profits

According to the Financial Times, this will involve scrapping the ‘revenue outturn mechanism’ that was introduced into national rail contracts (NRCs) by the former Tory government less than a year ago.

These contracts were intended to encourage UK (United Kingdom) rail operators to grow revenue take and passenger numbers.



I have sometimes recently wondered what incentive the remaining private TOCs (Train Operating Company) have ...

The agreed contract which will include profit, also there will be incentives of performance, customer satisfaction it may include an element of revenue protection; I suspect the previous Governments scheme was a bit of botch 

I  can't imagine GWR (Great Western Railway) stand to make much of a margin on incentives for performance and/or customer satisfaction?



Hence why those incentive metrics should be there, to pay for the canopies and bubbly at the share holders meeting

Canopies? That'd be a Network Rail job wouldn't it?  Wink
They have it covered  Grin
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2024, 20:57:08 »

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Rail operators stripped of profit incentive ahead of renationalisation

The Department for Transport is getting rid of an incentive scheme that allows non-publicly owned rail companies to make additional profits

According to the Financial Times, this will involve scrapping the ‘revenue outturn mechanism’ that was introduced into national rail contracts (NRCs) by the former Tory government less than a year ago.

These contracts were intended to encourage UK (United Kingdom) rail operators to grow revenue take and passenger numbers.

I have sometimes recently wondered what incentive the remaining private TOCs (Train Operating Company) have ...

Another ill thought through Labour idea. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2025, 20:50:47 »

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Public ownership of the UK (United Kingdom)'s railways is not a "silver bullet" for guaranteeing a better service for passengers, the transport secretary has said.

Heidi Alexander told a gathering of rail industry leaders in Manchester that cancellations on the state-run Northern are at "more than 10%" and many in the "region have been let down for too long".

Alexander also set out her priorities for the year ahead which include "reforming fares and ticketing" to ensure "a best price guarantee" as well as publishing performance data at stations.

But shadow transport secretary Gareth Bacon said "quick fixes and hollow announcements will not improve services for passengers or drive economic growth".

Re-nationalising train operating companies was a key part of Labour's manifesto.

Northern was taken into public ownership under the Conservative government in 2020 but its performance has failed to improve.

Alexander said that she and Rail Minister Lord Peter Hendy will hold the Department for Transport Operator's (DfTO) "feet to the fire" to deliver Northern's published improvement plan, although she provided no further detail on how.

The operating division already runs 25% of train journeys on the franchises it controls: Northern, LNER» (London North Eastern Railway - about), TransPennine and Southeastern. C2C, South Western and Greater Anglia will be added during this year.

In her speech, she said there was a need for unification across the train operators and Network Rail, which manages the railway infrastructure.

This would allow them "to work closer together, to rip out duplication, simplify the management of track and train and create greater accountability".

The government is continuing to develop its new operating body, Great British Railways.

Alexander said the DfTO is key to ensure that Great British Railway "doesn't end up as an umbrella of 16 separate organisations, each with their own incentives, back office systems and structures but instead becomes one integrated team, relentlessly focused on the passenger".

Among her priorities, Alexander said there will be more trials of pay as you go as well as more innovation around the use of AI to improve passenger experience and efficiency.

Great British Railways is a publicly-owned body that will run both the network tracks and trains and will oversee the rail system across England, Wales, and Scotland.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2025, 21:17:31 »

He's not wrong. It's not a silver bullet. This is:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Bullet_Express
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2025, 07:13:11 »

No one in the Rail Industry see re-nationalisation (GBR (Great British Railways)) as panacea to fix all the ills in the National network.  It is seen as  a challenge, an opportunity to reshape the UK (United Kingdom) Railway services.  Things it should resolve are the excessive of "Schedule 8 payments" agreeing track access to maintain the infrastructure, to flex the passenger timetable to meet demand

It has to be bourn in mind that there are no senior managers and executives who worked at a senior level in the industry under BR (British Rail(ways)), perhaps a good thing as they do not have that baggage, but what it does mean is the industry NR» (Network Rail - home page) and the TOC (Train Operating Company)'s have to learn a new way of working, this should be evolution on the work on collaboration that has been happening in the last few years; the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) and ORR» (Office of Rail and Road, formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) will also be on a learning curve in how they work with the new industry structure.

It will be an exciting time to be working in the UK National rail industry.
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