Poll: What do you hate about the HSTs?!

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[Conner]

But the most amount of people don't like the refurb.

No, that's not true, since the poll was biased. (Hint: Try and work out what the responses would have been if the original question was 'What do you like about the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train)'...)

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't like it to put that message across.
The HST Refurb is good.

[Chris from Nailsea]

Yes, I agree, Conner:

I don't actually 'hate' anything about the refurbished HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) - so I voted accordingly. 

 

[Mookiemoo]

But the most amount of people don't like the refurb.

No, that's not true, since the poll was biased. (Hint: Try and work out what the responses would have been if the original question was 'What do you like about the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train)'...)

Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't like it to put that message across.
The HST Refurb is good.

Depends on your POV - if I could have voted on al of them:



Lack of table seat - pretty much guarantees I will NOT go standard - but this is a plus for FGW^▸ (First Great Western)
High seat backs - claustrophobic - for longer distance commuters, the natter on the train is a plus
Lack of luggage space - not good - the train is supposed to replace the car - it cant if people cannot carry stuff
Restricted views - if I wanted to travel in a coffin I would (note: until my recent eviction to SC I would have commented but now I have experienced it, sheesh)
"Slippery" First Class seats - here here
Lighting too bright/lack of individual lights - here here
Cannot see out windows, only my reflection - here here
Uncomfortable Second Class seats - here here here here here
Absolutely everything. The refurb was a total disaster = nope - power sockets are a major improvement

It is only because there are power sockets I didnt vote for everything!

The survey should have listed every change and allowed voters to vote for however many applied.

e.g. if you have long nails - the new toilet flush is impossible to operate

[Conner]

Lack of tables seats is a very good thing, they can't run a service with every seat a table in Standard it would be Full and Standing.

High Seat Backs are required by law! Why don't people realise that!!!! Nothing FGW^▸ (First Great Western) can do!

Luggage space is fine until people bring there whole house on holiday.

Lighting is fine on Dim, which it usually is (or easy to turn onto if it is not)

I can see perfectly out of the window.

Standard Seats are very comfortable IMHO^▸ (in my humble opinion), more comfortable than Richmond seats.

[Chris from Nailsea]

Erm ... the new toilet flushes generally don't work - whatever the length of your fingernails! 

[Mookiemoo]

Lack of tables seats is a very good thing, they can't run a service with every seat a table in Standard it would be Full and Standing.

High Seat Backs are required by law! Why don't people realise that!!!! Nothing FGW^▸ (First Great Western) can do!

Luggage space is fine until people bring there whole house on holiday.

Lighting is fine on Dim, which it usually is (or easy to turn onto if it is not)

I can see perfectly out of the window.

Standard Seats are very comfortable IMHO^▸ (in my humble opinion), more comfortable than Richmond seats.

Lack of tables seats is a very good thing, they can't run a service with every seat a table in Standard it would be Full and Standing. - no they cant under the current model - but at the moment the short distance commuter is given preference over the market the HST^▸ (High Speed Train) should be catering for.  A compromise between every seat having a table and the current situation is the compromise - sorry - that was the pre refurb situation

High Seat Backs are required by law! Why don't people realise that!!!! Nothing FGW can do - no but society can.  So many stupid rules are brought in for our protection - if people actually stood up for thei convictions then maybe we wouldnt be nannied.  The chances of being in a train crash is slim - why we have to have crash proof seats is therefore beyond me.  I have more chance of being run over than being in a train crash - but I dont dress like the michelin man to enable me to bounce if I am hit by a car! Same with SDO^▸ (Selective Door Opening) - only the terminally stupid step out of a train if there is no platform - they deserve what they get.  Yes I know it is because of a litigous society - but frankly - people should only be able to claim if they can apply a reasonable intelligence test.

Luggage space is fine until people bring there whole house on holiday - I commute dailye but have a laptop back pack, a gym bag, and often two carrier bags of supermartket wear - where do I put it?

Lighting is fine on Dim, which it usually is (or easy to turn onto if it is not) - but they dont/wont run it on dim

I can see perfectly out of the window - glad you can

Standard Seats are very comfortable IMHO, more comfortable than Richmond seats - they are more uncofrtable than old first seats - apart from one journey I cant comment what the old standard were like

[Conner]

I prefer the current situation- more seats when it is busy but I can still get a tabl if I want but I ususally choose airline.

I prefer to be safe in case I am in a train accident than have low seats which are bad for your back anyway.

If in FC^‡(resolve) you have tons of space between seats and racks at the end and under seats there is a lot of overlooked space. (I remeber crawling under a Standard Seat easily).

I always see it on dim in Cornwall. Just ask if it isn't or just change it yourself.

You really can't compare FC and SC. Old FC seats were extremely comfortable, best on the railway. That is why I am probably going FC just to get one tommorow. Otherwise 158 seats are the best. Old SC seats were much less comfortable IMHO^▸ (in my humble opinion), prefer new ones by far. New FC seats are stupid for FC, SC is more comfortable.

[Btline]

Please note, this was a poll on "what do you hate about the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train).

Not, "who lies them" - that poll has already happened and there is a link somewhere on this thread to it.

[devon_metro]

I prefer the current situation- more seats when it is busy but I can still get a tabl if I want but I ususally choose airline.

I prefer to be safe in case I am in a train accident than have low seats which are bad for your back anyway.

If in FC^‡(resolve) you have tons of space between seats and racks at the end and under seats there is a lot of overlooked space. (I remeber crawling under a Standard Seat easily).

I always see it on dim in Cornwall. Just ask if it isn't or just change it yourself.

You really can't compare FC and SC. Old FC seats were extremely comfortable, best on the railway. That is why I am probably going FC just to get one tommorow. Otherwise 158 seats are the best. Old SC seats were much less comfortable IMHO^▸ (in my humble opinion), prefer new ones by far. New FC seats are stupid for FC, SC is more comfortable.

The standard class IC70 seats imho were the best seats ever, first class weren't overly good and somewhat hard.

[TerminalJunkie]

Please note, this was a poll on "what do you hate about the HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train).

Not, "who lies them" - that poll has already happened and there is a link somewhere on this thread to it.

I know that; the problem was the erroneous conclusion Conner made from the final results. You need to interpret the question as well as the votes!

The only criticism I would make of the poll itself was the absence of a 'Don't Know/No Opinion' option.

[stebbo]

So what do I actually like about the refurbed HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train)....?

Not that much - lack of tables/space. As I've said elsewhere for me, personally, travelling by train shouldn't be like travelling on an airline. Oh and the loos don't seem to work as well as they used to, always seems to be a slight problem with flush or taps.

Yesterday I travelled Cheltenham/Paddington and return and managed to bag table both ways - real bliss (except I'm not sure the the tables are as large as before, prompting a comment from my "neighbour" on the up service).

[Electric train]

The thing I hate - they remind me of how old I am getting I started an apprenticeship in BR^▸ (British Rail(ways))(W) days when the 252 (the prototype) was doing the odd public duty.   Unlike me they have had a make over and look a lot younger than their 30 plus years

The HST^▸ (High Speed Train) is a great testimony to BRB^‡(resolve)'s DM&EE designers at the RTC Derby

[r james]

So all of the hst carriages have the option to change the lighting to dim?  A lot of the carriages IO have been in only seem to have on / off buttons/?

[Electric train]

So all of the hst carriages have the option to change the lighting to dim?  A lot of the carriages IO have been in only seem to have on / off buttons/?

All of BR^▸ (British Rail(ways))'s Mk1 to 3 coaches had / have a half light facility, was originally intended for carriage cleaners to use so that the batteries were not flatten when they were cleaning.  The dim / bright switch is located inside the carriage just inside the sliding door on the toilet bulkhead near the ceiling at one end of the coach

[John R]

I've recently found something about them I like.... the armrest between the seats that you can put down when the person in the adjacent seat insists on occupying half of yours as well. I've used the tactic twice recently, and it's very effective at returning them to the area that they have paid for.