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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2022, 18:59:49 »

Divergence warning.

On the theme of colours, I remember in my younger days there used to be a coloured strip along the top carriages indicating first class, second class, buffet, restaurant (that's sticking my neck out). Can anyone remind me of the colours, and were there any types other than I mentioned.

Possibly easier to spot than mark at end doors, especially when split between first and standard.
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2022, 19:46:05 »

I think that there were only two distinct colours for the roof line bands. Yellow for first class and red for refreshment vehicles. There was no indication of the nature of refreshments available.
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2022, 20:40:11 »

I think that there were only two distinct colours for the roof line bands. Yellow for first class and red for refreshment vehicles. There was no indication of the nature of refreshments available.

That is my recollection.
There was also very limited use of a red line on some older stock to indicate compartments without any gangway or corridor, in order that women nervous of attack could avoid use of these vehicles.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2022, 21:31:37 »

In pedant mode - I recall it being yellow and red for sections of vehicles rather that the whole vehicle. Remarkably hard to find a picture - but https://thedieselworks.co.uk/product/lima-buffet-intercity-mark-3-buffet-car-pre-owned-unboxed/ shows it clearly on a model
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2022, 21:56:28 »

There's a load more detailed details here from - where else? rmweb. It includes hints, at least, of the idea being first used by GER, including blue for second class, and that it was copied by UIC.
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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2022, 20:47:35 »

In pedant mode - I recall it being yellow and red for sections of vehicles rather that the whole vehicle. Remarkably hard to find a picture - but https://thedieselworks.co.uk/product/lima-buffet-intercity-mark-3-buffet-car-pre-owned-unboxed/ shows it clearly on a model
I think so too.

I also have a vague feeling that these stripes were at one time used on some other European railways. Maybe in Germany or France?
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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2022, 22:23:05 »

In pedant mode - I recall it being yellow and red for sections of vehicles rather that the whole vehicle. Remarkably hard to find a picture - but https://thedieselworks.co.uk/product/lima-buffet-intercity-mark-3-buffet-car-pre-owned-unboxed/ shows it clearly on a model
I think so too.

I also have a vague feeling that these stripes were at one time used on some other European railways. Maybe in Germany or France?

Here's another page of detailed details from "Blood and Custard". This calls the markings applied by BR (British Rail(ways)) after the war "UIC cantrail banding". It's not clear whether the UIC standard that existed by then was the real source of this, or whether it was remembered from earlier British use. Maybe a bit of both.
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