2021 PAD to WOS/Malvern (cant remember where it stops) .... a question

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[Mookiemoo]

Can anyone tell me whether it has run as the advertised HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) recently or something else.  I may have to work late tomorrow meaning that that is the one I will have to pick up at Reading BUT .......


If I have a significant chance of it being a turbo - forget it.

A 180 I can cope with.

[Ollie]

20:20 Pad to GMV^▸ (Great Malvern station) (Great Malvern)

As far as I know it has been running as booked HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)).

[Mookiemoo]

20:20 Pad to GMV^▸ (Great Malvern station) (Great Malvern)

As far as I know it has been running as booked HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)).

Is that the HST they stable at hereford to form the 0545 WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) to PAD^» (Paddington (London) - next trains)?

In which case it makes sense that it is normally a HST and I can rest assured!

[swlines]

By the looks of it, it is the one that stables at Hereford.

[Steve44]

That's comforting then, i too will be using this service but from Paddington, though i di have a seat reservation 

[swlines]

If it's booked a HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) then you will have a seat reservation that's compatible with that seating layout. However, if it's substituted by a Turbo or Adelante, seat reservations do not apply in most circumstances and it's a free for all.

[willc]

It should be an HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) and I'm not aware of any substitutions in recent weeks.

Yes, this is the set that overnights at Hereford. In any case, I don't think the remaining Adelantes are allowed to spend the night away from Old Oak Common. By 8pm, with main line services starting to wind down, it should be simple enough to pinch a terminating HST if the booked set plays up.

But if you miss this one, then the 21.48 from Paddington to Shrub Hill is always a two-car Turbo...

[Andy W]

It should be an HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) and I'm not aware of any substitutions in recent weeks.

Yes, this is the set that overnights at Hereford. In any case, I don't think the remaining Adelantes are allowed to spend the night away from Old Oak Common. By 8pm, with main line services starting to wind down, it should be simple enough to pinch a terminating HST if the booked set plays up.

But if you miss this one, then the 21.48 from Paddington to Shrub Hill is always a two-car Turbo...

So if it overnights at Hereford why does the service terminate at Malvern? Am I missing something?

[Mookiemoo]

It should be an HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) and I'm not aware of any substitutions in recent weeks.

Yes, this is the set that overnights at Hereford. In any case, I don't think the remaining Adelantes are allowed to spend the night away from Old Oak Common. By 8pm, with main line services starting to wind down, it should be simple enough to pinch a terminating HST if the booked set plays up.

But if you miss this one, then the 21.48 from Paddington to Shrub Hill is always a two-car Turbo...

So if it overnights at Hereford why does the service terminate at Malvern? Am I missing something?

Could it be TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) and crewe are WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) based and need to get back easily?  Can drivers run it through to hereford if its out of service?

[Mookiemoo]

That's comforting then, i too will be using this service but from Paddington, though i di have a seat reservation 

Really dumb Q but why bother with a seat reservation on a train that will almost certainly be a ghost train?

[eightf48544]

Re seat reservations doesn't this one stop at Slough as well? Therefore, will probably be quite heavily loaded to Slough and Reading possibly Oxford.

I'm pretty sure it's been an HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) the last few Fridays as we hear it in the Manor when it leaves from Platform 2 at Slough around 21:40.

[Mookiemoo]

Re seat reservations doesn't this one stop at Slough as well? Therefore, will probably be quite heavily loaded to Slough and Reading possibly Oxford.

I'm pretty sure it's been an HST^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) the last few Fridays as we hear it in the Manor when it leaves from Platform 2 at Slough around 21:40.

Back when it was a turbo is certainly WAS NOT busy on any night of the week - and that was when the 1921 was often subbed for a two car 165 which is why I got it so often..... I preferred to sit in the sloe bar for an hour and travel in comfort rather than be a sardine to oxford

[Steve44]

That's comforting then, i too will be using this service but from Paddington, though i di have a seat reservation 

Really dumb Q but why bother with a seat reservation on a train that will almost certainly be a ghost train?

ummm.... because it was cheaper? 

[willc]

Could it be TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) and crewe are WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) based and need to get back easily?  Can drivers run it through to hereford if its out of service?

So if it overnights at Hereford why does the service terminate at Malvern? Am I missing something?

Unless it has changed recently, at the start of year the crews were being driven out from or back to Bristol in a taxi in the middle of the night. Could be that it's since switched to Worcester staff, now that they are all 125-trained.

It goes to Hereford because there is space to stable it there and a suitable power supply to keep the batteries charged - runs empty because FGW^▸ (First Great Western) and London Midland, probably rightly, believe there's no demand west of Malvern at that time of night. In the mornings it leaves Hereford before 5am, so unlikely to be much trade then either.

I think the reason it can't overnight at Worcester at the moment is that the sidings are full of London Midland DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit), plus the Cotswold halts train Turbo, but FGW said at both the public meetings in Charlbury this year that they are looking at improving stabling facilities at Worcester anyway, which would presumably allow HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) to spend the night there and cut out the cost of all those taxis.

[Mookiemoo]

Could it be TM^▸ (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) and crewe are WOS^» (Worcester Shrub Hill - next trains) based and need to get back easily?  Can drivers run it through to hereford if its out of service?

So if it overnights at Hereford why does the service terminate at Malvern? Am I missing something?

Unless it has changed recently, at the start of year the crews were being driven out from or back to Bristol in a taxi in the middle of the night. Could be that it's since switched to Worcester staff, now that they are all 125-trained.

It goes to Hereford because there is space to stable it there and a suitable power supply to keep the batteries charged - runs empty because FGW^▸ (First Great Western) and London Midland, probably rightly, believe there's no demand west of Malvern at that time of night. In the mornings it leaves Hereford before 5am, so unlikely to be much trade then either.

I think the reason it can't overnight at Worcester at the moment is that the sidings are full of London Midland DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit), plus the Cotswold halts train Turbo, but FGW said at both the public meetings in Charlbury this year that they are looking at improving stabling facilities at Worcester anyway, which would presumably allow HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train (Inter City class 43 125 units)) to spend the night there and cut out the cost of all those taxis.

I thought the first halts train was the 0655 which COMES IN at 072ish (whilst I'm waiting for the 0732) - it goes to foregate then returns to form the 0655 to oxford

It DOES NOT START AT WOS OR ITS SIDINGS

ASFAIK it  comes from oxford not a WOS siding

However - if the train has to go to hereford why not run it -unless as I said crew have to get off at WOS and equally why not run it in reverse