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« Reply #105 on: November 04, 2021, 20:04:20 » |
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which identifies the driver, with a photo, South Western Railway said its driver Robin Tandy had acted in an "impeccable way in a valiant attempt to keep passengers safe"
The driver of the SWR» train Robin Tandy, 74, suffered "life-changing" injuries in the crash, with 14 passengers out of the 92 on board requiring hospital treatment.
SWR said it hoped the early assessment by the Rail Accident Investigation Branch, showing the driver reacted correctly to the signals, would help "stop speculation". |
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« Reply #106 on: November 04, 2021, 20:13:17 » |
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The RAIB▸ are in my view to commended for the prompt publication of a preliminary report.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #107 on: November 04, 2021, 21:47:54 » |
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« Reply #108 on: November 05, 2021, 11:52:51 » |
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Now, please!
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« Reply #109 on: November 05, 2021, 13:23:18 » |
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Maybe, as NR» seems to have admitted there will be serious to their infrastructure, they need to ask if MoD can provide an ARV (Armoured Recovery Vehicle) and creww to assist. 52 ton straight pull, 104 ton presumably at 2:1. Would need some serious ground anchors and the dozer blade. Would be quicker than cutting up on site.
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« Reply #110 on: November 05, 2021, 15:23:35 » |
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Maybe, as NR» seems to have admitted there will be serious to their infrastructure, they need to ask if MoD can provide an ARV (Armoured Recovery Vehicle) and creww to assist. 52 ton straight pull, 104 ton presumably at 2:1. Would need some serious ground anchors and the dozer blade. Would be quicker than cutting up on site.
The railway used to have cable winch systems which involved a number of locomotives to anchor it and more to provide the pull, this was in the days of steam and first gen diesels, Class 59 have very good traction control. They are obviously trying to separate the coaches without using cutting tools, pulling apart is a lot safer than a person with a gas axe in amongst a crashed train in a tunnel. May be 2 or 3 Class 59  |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #111 on: November 05, 2021, 15:32:36 » |
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Just need a bit of slack in the chain and a short run up Kinetic recovery works a treat most times,I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it mind you !....
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« Reply #112 on: November 05, 2021, 17:17:54 » |
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The difficult 2nd carriage (the 159 centre car) is now reported lifted out, and with a third now ready to lift (the 158 rear car). But I expect they’ll not work overnight.
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« Reply #113 on: November 06, 2021, 18:14:53 » |
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Another picture, showing that the crossings of the junction have been 'plain lined' in favour of the london bould route, so Romsey to from Salisbury route ot to reopen for some time or via Laverstock and Andover?? https://twitter.com/vickycahoy/status/1456677842851356672 |
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« Reply #114 on: November 06, 2021, 18:24:32 » |
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Suggestions elsewhere is that the crossing was plain lined because they anticipated track damage caused by the removal method using the class 59. |
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« Reply #115 on: November 06, 2021, 18:36:35 » |
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Suggestions elsewhere is that the crossing was plain lined because they anticipated track damage caused by the removal method using the class 59. Do you mean they plain lined it before the recovery in order that it was possible to put it back afterwards undamaged? |
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« Reply #116 on: November 06, 2021, 18:41:01 » |
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Suggestions elsewhere is that the crossing was plain lined because they anticipated track damage caused by the removal method using the class 59. Do you mean they plain lined it before the recovery in order that it was possible to put it back afterwards undamaged? Possibly, either that or they were worried in case the Class 59 lost grip if standing exactly on the crossover. |
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« Reply #117 on: November 07, 2021, 07:38:31 » |
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Suggestions elsewhere is that the crossing was plain lined because they anticipated track damage caused by the removal method using the class 59. Do you mean they plain lined it before the recovery in order that it was possible to put it back afterwards undamaged? Possibly, either that or they were worried in case the Class 59 lost grip if standing exactly on the crossover. Or it is posible the ORR» wanted the rail to be kept as evidence / forensic tests and was removed from site ........ Or to direct the lines of force during the recover pull in a single direction to limit the damage to the rest of the track |
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« Reply #118 on: November 07, 2021, 09:33:56 » |
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...and a BTP▸ officer was videoing recovery of at least one of the carriages because...? I would expect a BTP presence to deter 'trophy hunters' but I hardly think filming the recovery operation would be part of their remit. I am of course prepared to be corrected on this.
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« Reply #119 on: November 07, 2021, 10:32:10 » |
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...and a BTP▸ officer was videoing recovery of at least one of the carriages because...? I would expect a BTP presence to deter 'trophy hunters' but I hardly think filming the recovery operation would be part of their remit. I am of course prepared to be corrected on this.
BTP will be there also investigating for criminal activity which may have lead to the accident, the video quite posible will go on their case file to be used should the need arise. Accidents like these are investigated by the ORR» , BTP, RAIB▸ , NR» and the ToCs usually the industry (NR and ToC's) is done as a joint investigation and is always subservient to the RAIB, ORR and BTP who have statutory powers, in the case of BTP and ORR they can arrest, charge and present a case to the CPS |
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