Route diagrams, lost text - advent quiz, 13th December 2020

[whole diary]

[grahame]

Here are some old maps ... but the text on them has been scraped off.  Can you identify stations "A" through "E" or "F" on each of them, and roughly date the map?   Please choose one map each initially.

1.  West London, 1870, Oxonhutch
A - Addison Road (now Kensington Olympia), B - West Brompton, C - Hammersmith, D - Edgware Road, E - Bayswater.


2.


3. Swansea Bay, 1963 - Froome
A is Llangennech B is Landore Junction C is Swansea High Street D is Swansea Victoria E is Gowerton South


4.


5. Highlands / North West Scotland, 1900, Stuving and eightonedee
Garve (C) - Ullapool (A); Cononbridge (F) - Cromarty (E); Culrain (D) - Lochinver (B)


6.


7. South East London, 1962, Reginald25
A- Bromley North B- Hayes C- Petts Wood D- Orpington E- Shortlands


8. Tyneside, 1938, Lympstone Commuter
A) Walker Gate. B) Walker. C) Percy Main. D) Manors E) High Shields


9.South West Ireland, 1995, TonyN
A: Barrow bridge B: Snowhill tunnel C: Waterford D: Enniscorthy E: Rosslare Europort F: Wexford


10. North Central Wales - 1902, eightonedee
A = Llangollen or Berwyn B = Bala Junction C = Ruabon D = Corwen E = Festiniog

[lympstone_commuter]

8. A) Walkergate. B) Walker. C) Percy Main. D) Manors.

Date - 1930s?

[Reginald25]

7 A- Bromley South
   B- Hayes
   C- Petts Wood
   D- Orpington
   E- Shortlands

pre 1998 (Elmers End to Addiscombe line closed in 1997 and converted to Tramlink later)

[Oxonhutch]

1: A - Addison Road (now Kensington Olympia), B - West Brompton, C - Hammersmith, D - Edgware Road, E - Bayswater. Around 1870 before Earls Court opened.

[TonyN]

9.
A: Barrow bridge
B: Snowhill tunnel
C: Waterford
D: Enniscorthy
E:Rosslare Europort
F: Wexford
Date Around 2000

[stuving]

5: The solid lines are the Highland Railway, the dashed lines are light railways; some built, some not, some in between:
Garve (C) - Ullapool (A)
Conobridge (F) - Cromarty (E) (though as proposed F was Dingwall)
Culrain (D) - Lochinver (B)

As to date - this all happened around 1900, but the map is likely to be later, when the distinction between closed and never built was a bit vague.

[eightonedee]

5 Highlands

A = Ullapool
B = Lochinver
C = Garve
D = Lairg
E = Cromarty
F = Muir of Ord

If it's a passenger network map (trains & buses) it will be before 1951, when the Fortrose branch closed

PS just seen that Stuving may have got there first!

[TonyN]

The map date for no 7 must be pre 1976. That is the earliest BR^▸ (British Rail(ways)) network map I have and by 1976 the south east is shown as a network diagram not a map. The other detail maps are in the style of map 7.

[stuving]

1: A - Addison Road (now Kensington Olympia), B - West Brompton, C - Hammersmith, D - Edgware Road, E - Bayswater. Around 1870 before Earls Court opened.

Surely the map itself is much more recent - presumably part of a set (in a book?) to show the building up of the network, leading to a map in the current graphics style.

PS - that current style (which also has interchanges shown) goes back to 1998 but not 1994.

[grahame]

8. A) Walkergate. B) Walker. C) Percy Main. D) Manors.

Date - 1930s?

Yes - and E is High Shields.  Dated 1938.

The main circuit north of the river, and the line to South Shields, now form the basis of the Newcastle Metro.  At the time of the map, it was 3rd rail electric; it went back to a period of first generation diesels between the two.  The riverside branch faded to a limited service and closed a long time ago.

[froome]

3 is the Swansea Bay area, pre-1964 when the line shown closest to the bay closed. I wouldn't like to hazard a more exact guess as to the date, though the map looks ancient even to me!

A is Llangennech
B is Landore Junction
C is Swansea High Street (which is now known just as Swansea)
D is Swansea Victoria
E is Gowerton South

[grahame]

7 A- Bromley South
   B- Hayes
   C- Petts Wood
   D- Orpington
   E- Shortlands

pre 1998 (Elmers End to Addiscombe line closed in 1997 and converted to Tramlink later)

Yes ... though I left "A" floating somewhere in fresh air and was expecting "Bromley North".    Comes from the early 1960s - from the Beeching report showing lines in London to be closed or modified.   Just off the map area shown, Woodside to Sanderstead was in black - earmarked for closure.   London Commuter areas got off relatively lightly. Crystal Palace High Level, Greenwich Park, Gravesend West and Westerham has already been lost by that time I recall (from a study of history, not personal knowledge, you will appreciate!)

[grahame]

1: A - Addison Road (now Kensington Olympia), B - West Brompton, C - Hammersmith, D - Edgware Road, E - Bayswater. Around 1870 before Earls Court opened.

Yes - as at the end of 1870, drawn 135 years later.

[grahame]

9.
A: Barrow bridge
B: Snowhill tunnel
C: Waterford
D: Enniscorthy
E:Rosslare Europort
F: Wexford
Date Around 2000

Yes, and dated 1995.

[grahame]

5: The solid lines are the Highland Railway, the dashed lines are light railways; some built, some not, some in between:
Garve (C) - Ullapool (A)
Conobridge (F) - Cromarty (E) (though as proposed F was Dingwall)
Culrain (D) - Lochinver (B)

As to date - this all happened around 1900, but the map is likely to be later, when the distinction between closed and never built was a bit vague.

Yes ..

5 Highlands

A = Ullapool
B = Lochinver
C = Garve
D = Lairg
E = Cromarty
F = Muir of Ord

If it's a passenger network map (trains & buses) it will be before 1951, when the Fortrose branch closed

PS just seen that Stuving may have got there first!

The dashed lines are proposals for light railways around 1900.   The branch from Cononbridge to Cromarty was partly constructed but never completed (see - there is a precedent for Crossrail and HS2^▸ (The next High Speed line(s))) and the branches to Ullapool and Lochiver never got off paper at all.   To my knowledge, the only proposed light railway in The Highlands that got through to opening was Wick to Lybster - though Highlands in name and not in fact.  Further south, the Mallaig and (?) Fort Augustus lines were being built around this time too.