People are learning how to use the "backchat" ... I have filtered this and tidied it up a little with an objective of keeping the key points / views but removing reports of microphone problems, etc
16:06:27 From Graham Ellis : How many would have used public transport BEFORE though?
16:06:32 From David Redgewell : The important of disabled access in work to pavements widening and cycle routes in high street s and city centre s and access to taxi and buses and disabled people having to use car in Cities like Bristol and Bath city centre s the same applies in Gloucester Cheltenham and Stroud
16:07:41 From Stuart Phelps : Demographic impact. Do we know the demographic impact of the Ghent changes?
Waltham Forest changes have displaced working class with middle class occupants. The new shops that opened in Waltham Forest are serving a much more affluent population than the population that lived there before. The displaced population from Waltham Forest seem to have ended up in significantly more deprived .
16:10:11 From Bryony Chetwode : Stuart Phelps: I think you raise a very importaout point - we must remain vigilant for unintended consequences.
16:14:27 From Tim Weekes -
FoSBR» : No mention of Gloucester Rd - heavy footfall, narrow pavements
16:15:35 From Graham Parkhurst : So an important point made there by Kye about bus lanes that would be generally relevant: we may be emergency planning, but it is important not to reverse important past gains and to avoid over-reaction.
16:16:27 From Robert Williams : There are some issues where short notice cycle lanes can be implemented quickly, but bus lanes need extensive consultation
16:17:49 From Robert Williams : There are concerns about social distancing at bus stops too, particularly if shops have queues outside
16:17:56 From Jasper Selwyn : What happened to the Bristol tram scheme? In all the British cities that have trams (and all over Europe) they are a real success. Why is the
DfT» so reluctant to support new tram schemes? Jasper
16:19:58 From Mike Lambden : Observation on Ghent video.
None of the bikes are like those used in
UK▸ .
No one wearing safety gear as we would in UK
Trams appear to move far faster than allowed in UK on road running sections.
It is also very flat compared to most UK cities and towns.
16:21:23 From James Harkins : Metrolink is carrying four times the number of passengers
16:22:36 From Robert Williams : My hope is that a future easement of lockdown will reduce the distance from 2m to 1m
16:25:01 From Mike Reddaway : Some years ago Ashford in Kent turned a dual carriageway and roundabout into shared space which works very well for pedestrians and cars when I saw it.
16:25:29 From Philip Sankey : Walking and cycling may not suit an older demographic who need to ride (car or bus etc) for longer journeys
16:26:35 From Ian Harrison : Given that transport is a derived demand, aren't the outcomes we are seeking a healthy community and a productive economy?
16:27:23 From James Harkins : Switzerland and Germany have more cars per head but a higher use of public transportGhent has the right idea, towns and cities belong to people and not cars etc, they are our servants!
16:27:36 From Bryony Chetwode : If we make it easier to do the "right thing" (active travel) instead of driving, we must sure everyone is able to do this.
16:27:37 From Glen Burrows : Public safety also important. Not many people are knocked down and killed/injured by bikes
16:27:57 From Gesella : Around Dorking where I originate from and more recently Bridport where I am now the cycle paths are rarely used along the main highways as the majority of cyclists are either club based, competition riders learning a route or serious 'pleasure' cyclists; only families with young children and the teenagers are on them and the later are inclined to jump on and off without checking for traffic usually.
16:28:30 From David Redgewell : we could use the heritage railway lines for public transport in the south west ie west Somerset railway taunton minehead route Exeter to Okehampton paignton kingswear for Dartmouth
16:29:12 From David Redgewell : Bodmin parkway Bodmin town swanage to wareham
16:29:45 From David Redgewell : carry a few more passengers then a single decker bus
16:32:54 From Gesella : All tis sounds wonderful but how can the deeper rural community get to the towns and cities without the use of a car? There are no footpaths to walk on, permissive paths are usually ankle deep in mud Autumn to Spring and no buses run commercially as they almost always run as a loss.
16:36:06 From Glen Burrows : The problem is surely "commercially" . You can't provide vital services on a commercial basis
16:34:52 From Claire Walters : Shameless plug for our work on rural buses:
https://bususers.org/england/reversing-rural-bus-decline/16:37:41 From Graham Ellis : Much is there - needs marketing so people know and connections that work.
16:37:09 From James Harkins : Claire the park and rides in Nottingham are full, the problem there is not enough tramlines built yet!
16:38:20 From Claire Walters : Trams take a long time and sometimes go in the wrong places (see Edinburgh). Short-term, buses of some description are usually the easiest most cost-effective answer
Walking, cycling and PT make it possible to get regular daily exercise into our daily life.
The costs of obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular illness, as well as mental health, are having a terrible cost to the NHS, the economy and peoples wellbeing.
16:39:18 From Dick Daniel : The UK have a real issue with health issues that are affected by lack of exercise.
Walking, cycling and PT make it possible to get regular daily exercise into our daily life.
The costs of obesity, diabetes and cardiovascular illness, as well as mental health, are having a terrible cost to the NHS, the economy and peoples wellbeing.
16:39:20 From David Redgewell : department for transport is now fund mainly on Monday to Friday service prority 7am to 7pm no weekend specification for week end s service s
16:39:31 From Graham Parkhurst : Perhaps important to respond to this very wide-reaching consultation into future regulatory policy:
https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/future-of-transport-regulatory-review-call-for-evidence-on-micromobility-vehicles-flexible-bus-services-and-mobility-as-a-service16:39:47 From James Harkins : Claire, yes our system of planning cause this, the people of Edinburgh no longer agree with statement as they are demanding more routes to eventually go where they want to go
16:39:52 From Mike Reddaway : I grew up in the country and dear old dad still lives there. He argues that buses are useless for his trip to doctor, newsagent or supermarket. Long distance he says by the time he's driven 2 miles to bus stop why not do the full 45 minutes into Exeter. Plenty of people in the country use public transport but they have to carefully plan.
16:40:11 From David Redgewell : department of transport paying for all bus and trains services now no private sector money
16:41:04 From James Harkins : Claire, disagree that buses are cost effective as they don't pay for the health harm done (NEE) and they are a failed mode in many cases
16:41:11 From Sue Stevens : Perhaps the planning soukd begin at an earlier point
16:41:29 From Claire Walters : In what sense?
16:41:47 From James Harkins : Which question?
16:42:01 From Claire Walters : Either!
16:43:04 From James Harkins : ok Buses ruled the road in the sixties but their customers voted with their feet or cars. have a read of the Defra report
16:43:34 From Claire Walters : Do you have a link please? James:
16:44:16 From David Redgewell : week end bus service to south Bristol not funded by the department for transport we need to specify bus service via locial authorities such as weca mayoral transport authority Somerset county council ect covid 19 bus grant
16:44:55 From Sue Stevens : Should this joined up thinking begin at an earlier stage in a project. For example, could there be cooperation between bus companies and
GWR▸ to have bus hubs at the proposed new rail stations at Wellington and Cullompton? Perhaps small hopper buses could take passengers in rural to the hub for change for a bus into city
16:45:17 From Nick Thwaites : so do the people who live in the rural area not have to pay for the transport in cities if the don't get any service
16:45:21 From Verona : My concern is that unless an attractive public transport is provided, there is little chance of persuading people to switch from private car. At present, in most cases it is actually more convenient and CHEAPER to use the car! Bob
16:46:05 From James Harkins : This issue was addressed by the Edwardians, low fares on the trams and buses and encouraged hop on hop off
16:47:01 From Andy Burkitt -
SERA▸ SW : Agree James - read the early history of buses in/around London
16:47:46 From Claire Walters : Nobody askes communities what they need!
16:47:58 From Jacqueline Walkden : Isn't the point of access and getting people out of the cars the same in principle for towns and rural areas ie people need to have most of their basic needs within an area which can be reached by active or public transport. Paris is talking about a 15=20 minute community, where everything is within 15-20 mins walking?
16:48:30 From Bryony Chetwode : So just bring back to COVID - should we also be engaging from the non-transport angle i.e. time use and accepting time flexibility come at the price of environment.
16:48:33 From Glen Burrows : The car was originally sold as a sign of upward social mobility. That idea still lingers
16:48:45 From James Harkins : Andy, The busman wanted it all, in the sixties he finally managed to see off the trams, seventies other electric traction, the trolley bus and now as a mass carrier is a failed mode
16:49:00 From Dick Daniel : The only PT that gets people out of car is trams.
16:49:12 From Claire Walters : Lets also not forget the people who can't walk or cycle. They're a minority but if their needs are not met, there is a higher cost to addressing the social isolation of thoseleft behind.
16:49:40 From Bryony Chetwode : It is not realistic to think a single mode will provide door to door.
16:49:41 From Mike Reddaway : The whole region / country whatever area you say needs an overall plan for public transport to make seamless journeys to attact people to use it.
16:49:47 From James Harkins : Trams last year carried 478 million passengers greater than the bottom
TOC▸ 16:50:02 From David Redgewell : we redesignin buses and trains with crovid19 look at spaces and screens on vehicles
16:50:02 From Dick Daniel : The only PT that gets people out of car is trams.
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