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« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2015, 01:25:42 » |
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Does this SPAD▸ raise some difficult questions about steam locomotive drivers on main lines?
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2015, 06:45:30 » |
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I was brought up in South East London, and my local line passed the site of a SPAD▸ accident a couple of years before we moved there, also involving a "Battle of Britain" light pacific. That shows what can happen when the line beyond (and just beyond a junction) doesn't happen to be clear. Whilst I am reminded, that does not infer any suggestions of why the SPAD (it seems commonly accepted and published as that) happened at Wootton Bassett - we must leave that for the investigators, but it does show the need for seriousness in such cases. http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/MoT_Lewisham1957.pdf |
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« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2015, 17:21:59 » |
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Earlier reports on the BBC» website stated, most misleadingly, that "steam trains" had been banned from the national network, rather than the fact that one operator of steam, and other locomotives had been banned.
I emailed them to point out this factual error.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2015, 17:56:01 » |
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Earlier reports on the BBC» website stated, most misleadingly, that "steam trains" had been banned from the national network, rather than the fact that one operator of steam, and other locomotives had been banned.
I emailed them to point out this factual error.
The article also says they operate in the North of England. BBC confusing them with Pacers? |
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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2015, 18:27:03 » |
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Does this SPAD▸ raise some difficult questions about steam locomotive drivers on main lines?
Erm ... Yes. It will effect the smaller train operators, the NR» letter in my view makes quite clear there is an expectation for such companies to have very rigorous management and training process in place. The Office of Rail Regulation or as it is of the 1st April 2015 Office of Rail and Road could seek a prosecution under the Health and Safety at Work Act perhaps under section 3 "it is the duty of all employers and self-employed persons to ensure, as far as is reasonably practicable the safety of persons other than employees, for example, contractors, visitors, the general public and clients" and section 7 "all employees have a duty while at work to: Take reasonable care for the health and safety of him/herself and of other persons who may be affected by his/her acts or omissions at work; and Co-operate with employers or other persons so far as is necessary to enable them to perform their duties or requirements under the Act". |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2015, 23:02:25 » |
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Had this email from WCR Dear Fellow Traveller Passenger safety is our number one priority. You may have read or seen news relating to Network Rail (owners of the lines used by West Coast Railways) and West Coast Railways. A recent breach of safety regulations involving one of our trains crossing a red light has lead to discussions by both parties to establish how this happened and more importantly the preventative measures in place to ensure it can^t happen again. Although no one was injured in any way West Coast Railways consider this to be sufficient to carry out a full internal enquiry with the support of Network Rail and at this time will not be running trains under their current used licence. However all trips remain unaffected and will run as normal under licence of another operator, using the same vintage Mk2▸ carriages, passengers will not be affected and all schedules including the Jacobite will continue as normal, should there be any changes to services passengers will be notified in advance. Safety is a primary importance to both West Coast Railways and Network Rail and as such both parties MUST be absolutely satisfied with the safety measures in place to prevent any such future happenings, through continued discussions and when both parties are satisfied it is hoped that West Coast Railways will resume operation under licence. Should you have any questions regarding this please email bookings@westcoastrailways.netMany Thanks West Coast Railways |
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« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2015, 23:17:51 » |
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Sounds a pointless ban if they can just borrow somebody else's licence.
Would using somebody else's licence mean they need staff from the licence holder?
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« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2015, 08:18:19 » |
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Sounds a pointless ban if they can just borrow somebody else's licence.
Would using somebody else's licence mean they need staff from the licence holder?
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« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2015, 08:56:37 » |
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Sounds a pointless ban if they can just borrow somebody else's licence.
Would using somebody else's licence mean they need staff from the licence holder?
I took that to mean that WCR would become a chartering tour company, like some that WCR operates trains for, though one that can supply its own carriages and (I guess) most passenger-facing staff. The new operator's own licence would only be valid using its own safety and staff management system, hence its own managers and drivers and most likely a (safety) guard too. If that restricts what they can drive it might alter the locomotives that could be used too. |
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« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2015, 11:00:12 » |
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To some of us this news about WCRC is not surprising at all.
I'll be careful about saying much more until the RAIB▸ have done their work.
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« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2015, 11:25:16 » |
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To some of us this news about WCRC is not surprising at all.
I'll be careful about saying much more until the RAIB▸ have done their work.
If you read between the lines a little bit, it's quite clear from the Network Rail license withdrawal document I linked to a few posts back that there are some pretty significant issues! |
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« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2015, 09:46:36 » |
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Made page 3 of yesterday's Daily Telegraph, happy to scan the article and upload it if anyone would like to read it (when I'm back at work on Tuesday!)
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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2015, 11:57:39 » |
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Made page 3 of yesterday's Daily Telegraph, happy to scan the article and upload it if anyone would like to read it (when I'm back at work on Tuesday!)
Back at work Tuesday TG? Does this involve train travel ? |
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LiskeardRich
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« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2015, 16:32:13 » |
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To some of us this news about WCRC is not surprising at all.
I'll be careful about saying much more until the RAIB▸ have done their work.
If you read between the lines a little bit, it's quite clear from the Network Rail license withdrawal document I linked to a few posts back that there are some pretty significant issues! Agree it's pretty obvious from that document that this is the most recent in a line of issues. |
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