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« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2009, 10:53:23 » |
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Latest news on that service, is that the union have advised guards to work to rule, i.e. only take the train out if it either runs non stop between the offending stations, remain in the brake van at all times, or that transport police accompany it between Bristol and I think Swindon.
This is due to attacks on passengers, and staff. When problems arose, more experienced guards were asked to work it, just to make sure the new ones were't getting out of their depth, and even the experienced men were being threatened and assaulted left right and centre.
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« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2009, 11:21:16 » |
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When they know a lot of football fans will be on a train, there are police on it, why can't they apply the same common sense approach to trains such as this one?
I was going to say surely this is what British Transport Police are for, then I remembered that they exist to protect railway property.
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« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2009, 22:29:52 » |
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My experience of drunks on trains has never been good. I have full respect for the staff who are brave enough to work the late trains particularly on friday and saturday nights. Obviously there is a difference between a drunk and a violent antisocial drunk. for example: The person who has had one too many and staggers down the aisle and falls over (sober passengers laugh at this point  ) Someone who gets on the train, goes into First Class with no ticket and sits and sleeps for the remainder of the journey. (sober passengers ignore) compared with: Someone who slams people in train doors (Sober person swears loudly) or the very drunk person who decides to relieve themselves on the platform (Sober person moves very quickly away) Someone who throws threatening abuse at sober passenger (Sober passenger knows whatever they do/say will be wrong...) |
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« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2009, 08:19:19 » |
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My experience of drunks on trains has never been good. I have full respect for the staff who are brave enough to work the late trains particularly on friday and saturday nights.
Sentiment appreciated. It's not very nice to be told, (by a drunken lout), that you "will have your ****ing head kicked in if you ask for a ticket", but on some trains, it's par for the course. Unfortunately, many jobs which involve an element of public service also carry an element of risk. However, I knew this when I signed up, as did my colleagues. Common sense and experience usually enables guards to sort the harmless from the potentially dangerous drunk(s). Nine times out of ten, this is sufficient, but anyone with experience in dealing with the inebriated will appreciate just how quickly a jovial mood can 'turn nasty'. In a post above, a member voiced concern at what could be an arbitrary use of power in excluding drunks. This is perfectly understandable, but the safety of the train, passengers and staff is paramount. Guards are not social workers, paramedics, lawyers or policemen, although sometimes it appears that they should be. |
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« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2009, 09:38:17 » |
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Just a question, but how many nasty-drunks are there who use trains regularly. Are there hundreds of these "people" or is it usually a dozen or so who cause most of the problems on a particular route. If it is the latter then the problem ought to be soluable by policing / ASBOs etc. If it is the former, this country is in huge trouble.
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« Reply #35 on: January 22, 2009, 21:36:59 » |
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I sometimes wonder which is more dangerous? I sleepy and confused drunk... Or... A Revenue Protection Officer in a very bad mood...  |
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« Reply #36 on: January 22, 2009, 23:03:00 » |
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My experience of drunks on trains has never been good. I have full respect for the staff who are brave enough to work the late trains particularly on friday and saturday nights.
Well said. I wholeheartedly agree. And despite the above... Latest news on that service, is that the union have advised guards to work to rule, i.e. only take the train out if it either runs non stop between the offending stations, remain in the brake van at all times, or that transport police accompany it between Bristol and I think Swindon.
This is due to attacks on passengers, and staff. When problems arose, more experienced guards were asked to work it, just to make sure the new ones were't getting out of their depth, and even the experienced men were being threatened and assaulted left right and centre.
...it's a testament to the professionalism of FGW▸ 's conductors that when I have travelled on the last service from Bristol to Paddington on a Saturday night they have not been hiding in the TGS but have been a visible presence in the train dealing with trouble when it occurs. |
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« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2009, 21:54:33 » |
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Going up through Cornwall on an XC▸ Voyager the TM‡ was selling a ticket to a Redruth drunk (penalty fare station), while doing so he suggested several times that the bloke might 'like a kip' and said he would wake him at his destination...fella promptly fell asleep - only problem was that he slumped half across the aisle but everyone had a pleasant journey.
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« Reply #39 on: January 25, 2009, 14:16:23 » |
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Drinking isn't allowed on any form of localised transport in London either, thanks to Boris Johnson |
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« Reply #40 on: January 25, 2009, 14:20:34 » |
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Drinking isn't allowed on any form of localised transport in London either, thanks to Boris Johnson but has he got rid of the bendy busses? |
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« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2009, 22:16:24 » |
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Drinking isn't allowed on any form of localised transport in London either, thanks to Boris Johnson but has he got rid of the bendy busses? You have been watching too much 'Top Gear' relex |
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« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2009, 22:46:33 » |
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Drinking isn't allowed on any form of localised transport in London either, thanks to Boris Johnson but has he got rid of the bendy busses? You have been watching too much 'Top Gear' relex indeedy.... scary thing is that i said that and then it was that show with him tonight repeated! |
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« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2009, 23:18:05 » |
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« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2009, 12:07:09 » |
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I was travelling on a XC▸ service from Birmingham to Cardiff and there were 2 young guys who were drunk. They were harmless really and werent violent or anything but some passengers seemed to find them very annoying. One wouldnt sit down and the Train Manager said that if they didnt behave they would be asked to leave at the next stop.
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