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« Reply #91 on: October 04, 2021, 19:24:20 » |
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I was just completing my petrol station manager training at a Texaco in Portsmouth when the fuel protests/blockades of September 2000 took place, and to say that it was a baptism of fire would be somewhat of an understatement. When it ended, we were told that had it gone on any longer that we would have had to prepare - and I can still quote exactly - for a "breakdown of society event" - The situation was considered that serious. Less than a month later I was managing my own petrol station in Gosport, and it was as if it never happened. I wouldnt want to go through the experience again though, and certainly not beyond the extent it got to in 2000. |
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« Reply #92 on: October 04, 2021, 19:44:38 » |
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When you combine the petrol station issue with the antics of insulate Britain around and now in London, that “breakdown of society event” may not be far off.
When you are attempting to change the way we do things that improves the environment around us you need the public on your side and right now neither the government or these protesters have them on their side.
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« Reply #93 on: October 04, 2021, 20:03:53 » |
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When you combine the petrol station issue with the antics of insulate Britain around and now in London, that “breakdown of society event” may not be far off.
When you are attempting to change the way we do things that improves the environment around us you need the public on your side and right now neither the government or these protesters have them on their side.
Indeed. Whilst I have considerable sympathy with the aims of "insulate Britain" They are making themselves very unpopular indeed. Some have been forcibly removed by enraged drivers. Sooner or later an even more enraged driver will simply run them over. If the police attempted to arrest the driver I suspect that they would have a large and very angry mob on their hands. The mob might well succeed in releasing the motorist. |
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« Reply #94 on: October 05, 2021, 01:52:58 » |
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I was just completing my petrol station manager training at a Texaco in Portsmouth when the fuel protests/blockades of September 2000 took place, and to say that it was a baptism of fire would be somewhat of an understatement. When it ended, we were told that had it gone on any longer that we would have had to prepare - and I can still quote exactly - for a "breakdown of society event" - The situation was considered that serious.
Less than a month later I was managing my own petrol station in Gosport, and it was as if it never happened. I wouldnt want to go through the experience again though, and certainly not beyond the extent it got to in 2000.
The situation in 2000 would not have been allowed to progress to a "breakdown of society event" As a very last resort martial law could have been declared and the protesters removed with as much violence as needed, including simply running them over or shooting them. Of much greater concern in my view would be events overseas that reduce the supply of oil into the UK▸ . No amount of armed force applied WITHIN the UK would increase the supply in such a situation. This novel is about that sort of thing, and I recommend it. https://www.fantasticfiction.com/s/alex-scarrow/last-light.htm |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
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« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2021, 02:38:26 » |
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Really, broadgage? The UK▸ doesn't, and actually can't, even under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, run over and shoot peaceful protesters. That would be illegal under the Human Rights Act 1998. HRA 1998 is the one piece of legislation that cannot be amended, superseded or ignored when enacting emergency measures under CCA 2004. Even if the protesters turned violent there wouldn't be an order to arbitrarily kill civilians. Arrests, military backed dispersal, curfews, road blocks... all yes. Shoot-to-kill? No. Judicial processes would still function under the Civil Contingencies Act. If you want to further enflame civil unrest then extra-judicial killing is certainly the way to go.  |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
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« Reply #96 on: October 05, 2021, 02:57:03 » |
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Really, broadgage? The UK▸ doesn't, and actually can't, even under the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, run over and shoot peaceful protesters. That would illegal under the Human Rights Act 1998. HRA 1998 is the one piece of legislation that cannot be amended, superceded or ignored when enacting emergency measures under CCA 2004. Even if the protesters turned violent there wouldn't be an order to arbitrarily kill civilians. Arrests, military backed dispersal, curfews, road blocks... all yes. Shoot-to-kill? No. Judicial processes would still function under the Civil Contingencies Act. If you want to further enflame civil unrest then extra-judicial killing is certainly the way to go. It seems unlikely, but is I suspect just about possible under extreme circumstances. And of course in wartime "saboteurs" can be shot out of hand. If you wish to cheer yourself up, try reading "Last Light" which will hopefully remain fiction. |
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« Reply #97 on: October 05, 2021, 03:09:23 » |
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What is and isn't possible is defined by law. And we're talking about civil unrest, not war. Can civil unrest lead to civil war? Absolutely. But a fuel shortage or protest is a long, long way from outright war. One thing is certain though. If there was major civil unrest and an armed uprising then those that have a stash of petrol and other supplies are going to be targets. EDIT: Oh, and I've read Alex Scarrow's 'Last Light' and quite a few other 'apocalypse' thrillers. Good escapist fun, but the premise would never happen. I read HG Wells and listened to Jeff Wayne as a kid. I'm still waiting for Martians to land on Horsell Common.  |
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« Reply #98 on: February 04, 2022, 00:53:57 » |
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Those who have NOT already prudently stocked petrol, might need to start panic buying. Considerable disruption to European distribution of oil and oil products is reported due to a large hacking attack on oil infrastructure. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60250956 |
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« Reply #99 on: February 04, 2022, 11:59:04 » |
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I'd suggest that if there is to be a continent-wide shortage of oil products, priority should go to emergency services followed by power stations and heating of essential buildings (eg hospitals), distribution of food and similar, with personal transport use way down the list.
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« Reply #100 on: February 04, 2022, 12:19:59 » |
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Agree entirely, and such a scheme would no doubt be introduced, a bit too late.
Very few hospitals use oil for heating, gas is almost universal. Though there are unrelated concerns WRT▸ to natural gas supply.
Very few power stations burn oil, gas is almost universal. Some gas fired power stations CAN burn light oil as an emergency alternative in case of a gas shortage.
The main concern would be road transport which is almost entirely oil powered. Most motorists accept the need for giving priority to essential users, provided of course that THEY are essential users, it is the others who should cut back !
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« Reply #101 on: February 04, 2022, 12:51:57 » |
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« Reply #102 on: February 04, 2022, 15:27:47 » |
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Those who have NOT already prudently stocked petrol, might need to start panic buying. Considerable disruption to European distribution of oil and oil products is reported due to a large hacking attack on oil infrastructure. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60250956I stopped and filled up at Trago Mills on the way home from Plymouth today. It always looks like the start of the apocalypse there, but the fuel is "cheap". This will hopefully be over by the time I need to fill up again. |
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« Reply #103 on: February 04, 2022, 15:48:14 » |
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Remember everyone, the quicker you panic the less of a panic it will be for you.
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« Reply #104 on: February 04, 2022, 16:03:20 » |
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