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« on: July 27, 2019, 21:33:40 » |
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From Bristol LiveBristol Airport is introducing a ‘carbon levy’ on cars using the Express Drop Off, which it says is the least sustainable way to get to the airport.
The levy is being introduced later this year and proceeds will be used to offset emissions from all other journeys made to the airport. Whilst it might be the least sustainable, it's the most practical by a Baker's Mile. And doesn't fuel tax on petrol / diesel already include some sort of extra taxation - or is that just a general way to raise more money rather than something mor specific, so doesn't count as a "Carbon Levy"? |
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2019, 22:30:37 » |
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This is all green wash to try and get the expansion plans through. They already charge drop off fees for the car park...
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2019, 22:57:26 » |
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And if you drop off someone from an electric vehicle?
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2019, 10:24:31 » |
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How about a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off ? This could take the form of a tax on jet fuel, similar to that paid on petrol or diesel for road use.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2019, 10:31:47 » |
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How about a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off ? This could take the form of a tax on jet fuel, similar to that paid on petrol or diesel for road use.
That'd be Air Passenger Duty then? |
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broadgage
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2019, 11:15:52 » |
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How about a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off ? This could take the form of a tax on jet fuel, similar to that paid on petrol or diesel for road use.
That'd be Air Passenger Duty then? Possibly, but in that case it should be increased, so as to have a similar effect as would taxing aviation fuel. perhaps something in region of £100 per short haul journey and £500 for long haul. Though the proposed carbon levy on cars dropping people off is an addition to road tax and fuel duty, so why not a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2019, 11:29:39 » |
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Should there not be a Bus Passenger Duty for emissions as well?
NOx and particulates from diesel buses are a serious contributor to air pollution. The amounts can often be just as high per passenger kilometre as a modern diesel car, particularly when the number of passengers on board is low. The majority of the UK▸ 's bus fleet only complies with the 17 year old Euro 3 emissions standard. Also, measuring emissions based on passenger kilometre fails to take into account the amount of stationary idling diesel buses do.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2019, 12:01:02 » |
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Bus travel should in my view be encouraged as the carbon emissions are less per passenger than driving, in most cases.
The significant particulate emissions of many older buses are indeed a cause for concern, but the remedy is obvious in the form of electric buses as a first choice, and cleaner burning diesels as a second choice.
Air transport by contrast is unavoidably highly polluting. Flying takes a lot of energy, and only liquid hydrocarbon fuels have the required energy density.
Modern jet engines are reasonably clean burning as in limited dark smoke or particulate emissions, but nothing can be done about the vast carbon emissions from flying, except by flying less.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2019, 13:16:25 » |
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How about a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off ? This could take the form of a tax on jet fuel, similar to that paid on petrol or diesel for road use.
That'd be Air Passenger Duty then? Possibly, but in that case it should be increased, so as to have a similar effect as would taxing aviation fuel. perhaps something in region of £100 per short haul journey and £500 for long haul. Though the proposed carbon levy on cars dropping people off is an addition to road tax and fuel duty, so why not a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off. So in a time when our economy is becoming ever more precarious & less competitive due to Brexit, you're seriously suggesting increasing costs for visitors, potential investors, employers/employees etc from anywhere over 4 hours by an additional £1000 per round trip. Genius. Did you open the Port a bit earlier than usual today? |
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2019, 14:02:37 » |
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....is an addition to road tax....
Pedant Alert, although you might take a different view if you had had 'why don't you pay your road tax' (or something similar frequently with added expletives) shouted at you as often as I have when out cycling, but true 'Road Tax' was abolished in the UK▸ in 1937. The correct term is VED (which as far as I am aware has not yet been hypothecated to road maintenance as per the proposal by 'Spreadsheet Phil'). In any case most cyclists will be paying Income Tax which is from where road maintenance money is currently sourced. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2019, 15:51:34 » |
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How about a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off ? This could take the form of a tax on jet fuel, similar to that paid on petrol or diesel for road use.
That'd be Air Passenger Duty then? Possibly, but in that case it should be increased, so as to have a similar effect as would taxing aviation fuel. perhaps something in region of £100 per short haul journey and £500 for long haul. Though the proposed carbon levy on cars dropping people off is an addition to road tax and fuel duty, so why not a carbon levy on aircraft dropping people off. So in a time when our economy is becoming ever more precarious & less competitive due to Brexit, you're seriously suggesting increasing costs for visitors, potential investors, employers/employees etc from anywhere over 4 hours by an additional £1000 per round trip. Genius. Did you open the Port a bit earlier than usual today? Yes, that is exactly what I suggest. I feel that climate change is serious enough to justify such measures. As an interim measure at least. The longer term aim should be the near elimination of air transport. No port or indeed any alcoholic drink has been taken today. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
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