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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2008, 21:47:26 » |
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Both were on a Bristol - Penzance, both busy and the 150 was much nicer!!
The Bristol-Penzance ones never have many long distance customers. Try the 14:41 Plymouth-Penzance on a Summer Saturday and then tell me a 150 is suitable, I was crammed in a vestibule with abut ten huge cases and that was stuffy especially as the Diesal fumes were entering throught the windows. It may have been crammed but would have been if a 158, and if it were a 158 it would have lost time due to slower accellaration (yes, 150's are quicker off the mark!!!) and the fact that the doors are in the wrong place for busy stop/start work, I believe all but 1 Cornish diagrams are non 158's, they may be keeping 1 diagram this summer due to Penzance/Par train crew needing to keep traction knowledge. 150's are far better for Cornwall in terms of timekeeping and loading/unloading, there is a little less luggage space, but more wheelchair/bike space and (wait for the insults!!) more standing room! 153's are totally useless for anything other than strengthening or light used branches, they are rediculously underpowered and the doors are in the wrong place! 158's are much more comfortable to stand in though as long as the air con works. I agree 15o's are much quicker to accelarate. I think that the problem would be solved by adding a big luggage rack making 150+153 perfect capacity wise. 153's are more comfortable than 150's, refurb only though. |
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2008, 21:53:33 » |
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Both were on a Bristol - Penzance, both busy and the 150 was much nicer!!
The Bristol-Penzance ones never have many long distance customers. Try the 14:41 Plymouth-Penzance on a Summer Saturday and then tell me a 150 is suitable, I was crammed in a vestibule with abut ten huge cases and that was stuffy especially as the Diesal fumes were entering throught the windows. It may have been crammed but would have been if a 158, and if it were a 158 it would have lost time due to slower accellaration (yes, 150's are quicker off the mark!!!) and the fact that the doors are in the wrong place for busy stop/start work, I believe all but 1 Cornish diagrams are non 158's, they may be keeping 1 diagram this summer due to Penzance/Par train crew needing to keep traction knowledge. 150's are far better for Cornwall in terms of timekeeping and loading/unloading, there is a little less luggage space, but more wheelchair/bike space and (wait for the insults!!) more standing room! 153's are totally useless for anything other than strengthening or light used branches, they are rediculously underpowered and the doors are in the wrong place! 158's are much more comfortable to stand in though as long as the air con works. I agree 15o's are much quicker to accelarate. I think that the problem would be solved by adding a big luggage rack making 150+153 perfect capacity wise. 153's are more comfortable than 150's, refurb only though. Standing in a 158 vestibule is worse than standing in a 150, the vestibule in a 158 has no air flowing into it, especially when the automatic vestibule door works and there is no air con in the vestibule. |
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2008, 21:57:49 » |
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150's are about the best short/medium distance unit's around, the ones Wessex refurbished are the most comfortable as they have 2+2 seating with tables etc, although, I would not like to sit on one from Swansea to Manchester! 1441 of Ply is booked a 150.
But it is the the 158 diagram from Bristol earlier isn't it? The 14:41 Plymouth to Penzance is booked the 158 on a Saturday only, yes.... Weekday diagram is: 0604 PNZ to NTA» 0902 NTA to PLY» 1130 PLY to GSL 1219 GSL to PLY 1441 PLY to PNZ 1644 PNZ to EXD» Easter Monday has 153382 on this diagram which could be fun, is this the last black one?? Mondays St.Ives and Falmouth branch are both 150/s..... Looe is 153329. |
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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2008, 22:00:38 » |
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150's are about the best short/medium distance unit's around, the ones Wessex refurbished are the most comfortable as they have 2+2 seating with tables etc, although, I would not like to sit on one from Swansea to Manchester! 1441 of Ply is booked a 150.
But it is the the 158 diagram from Bristol earlier isn't it? The 14:41 Plymouth to Penzance is booked the 158 on a Saturday only, yes.... Weekday diagram is: 0604 PNZ to NTA» 0902 NTA to PLY» 1130 PLY to GSL 1219 GSL to PLY 1441 PLY to PNZ 1644 PNZ to EXD» Easter Monday has 153382 on this diagram which could be fun, is this the last black one?? Mondays St.Ives and Falmouth branch are both 150/s..... Looe is 153329. I think there's 2 black 153's left, 380 and 382, 377 has just been refurbished. |
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« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2008, 22:18:54 » |
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Both were on a Bristol - Penzance, both busy and the 150 was much nicer!!
The Bristol-Penzance ones never have many long distance customers. Try the 14:41 Plymouth-Penzance on a Summer Saturday and then tell me a 150 is suitable, I was crammed in a vestibule with abut ten huge cases and that was stuffy especially as the Diesal fumes were entering throught the windows. It may have been crammed but would have been if a 158, and if it were a 158 it would have lost time due to slower accellaration (yes, 150's are quicker off the mark!!!) and the fact that the doors are in the wrong place for busy stop/start work, I believe all but 1 Cornish diagrams are non 158's, they may be keeping 1 diagram this summer due to Penzance/Par train crew needing to keep traction knowledge. 150's are far better for Cornwall in terms of timekeeping and loading/unloading, there is a little less luggage space, but more wheelchair/bike space and (wait for the insults!!) more standing room! 153's are totally useless for anything other than strengthening or light used branches, they are rediculously underpowered and the doors are in the wrong place! 158's are much more comfortable to stand in though as long as the air con works. I agree 15o's are much quicker to accelarate. I think that the problem would be solved by adding a big luggage rack making 150+153 perfect capacity wise. 153's are more comfortable than 150's, refurb only though. Standing in a 158 vestibule is worse than standing in a 150, the vestibule in a 158 has no air flowing into it, especially when the automatic vestibule door works and there is no air con in the vestibule. But standing in the seating area is nice. 377 has just been refurbished.
I will add that to my list, is there any more refurb units. And the 158 diagram yesterday was 150. |
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2008, 22:57:08 » |
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Bugger. I thought 370 was black - guess it's red then?
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Cheers Jim  AG's most famous quote "It'll be better next week" |
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2008, 23:09:04 » |
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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2008, 23:17:01 » |
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I'm going to try and track down these Black ones soon then - for a stark reminder of what a brick is really like.
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Cheers Jim AG's most famous quote "It'll be better next week" |
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2008, 00:47:37 » |
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So the 150: a) goes b) is less suffocating than a 158 if overcrowded What tragic comments on the attractiveness of the passenger experience  . To think there was a time xx years ago when I actually enjoyed travelling by train. |
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