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« on: April 10, 2019, 14:49:28 » |
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Rail Delivery Group Press Release Thousands more train passengers will be able to wave goodbye to their orange tickets this month as train companies make smart tickets more widely available with the roll out of new technology across the network. The increased availability of smart tickets is already benefitting passenger by: - saving time as they can buy online from anywhere and can skip queues at ticket machines, with 22% of journeys in 2018 made on tickets bought online, up from 7% in 2013.
- allowing them to go paperless, ending the days of lost tickets with passes stored securely on a phone or a card. It’s also forest friendly, with the equivalent of almost 1,200 km or the distance from London to Edinburgh and back in traditional orange paper tickets saved in the first two months of this year alone.
Nothing really in this press release that relates to GWR▸ though. The percentage of tickets bought online though is somewhat less at 22% than I might have guessed at but shows there is still a long way to go in assuming people can be required to purchase tickets that way.
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ChrisB
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2019, 15:27:54 » |
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GWR▸ are likely to roll out their smartcard quite soon across more of their (barried) destination...
THen we'll all be claouring for cross-operator smartcard acceptance - ie registering one's TOC▸ smartcard with our operators. I don't want (or need to) hold a smartcard from every operator I might use.....
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2019, 15:31:34 » |
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Given that a very high percentage of people own a smartphone, you'd think that should be the common format? Or is it perceived to be less robust (may not be charged...) in comparison to a smartcard?
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2019, 15:40:48 » |
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and not replaceable if lost.....
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2019, 16:09:46 » |
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Co-ordinating and promoting a cross-accepted smart card might be the very thing you would expect a trade association to be leading on.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2019, 16:39:57 » |
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I thought I'd posted a link to the ITSO document set before, but apparently not - so here it is. The whole ITSO system is predefined, including all the products to be loaded onto it (IPEs), though it does include a defined type for private produce entities. But there is this footnote: ITSO do not encourage the use of private entities. Where a Product has potential for interoperability, then the use of an ITSO defined IPE is preferred, as a basis for future interoperability. I suspect that all products being introduced will use the compatible formats, and the only thing stopping you putting one TOC▸ 's product on another's ticket will be detecting who issued the ticket (ITSO platform). In other words they could enable cross-loading once they have persuaded themselves they want or need to. |
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2019, 21:34:27 » |
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I wonder if eventually we will be able to use a GWR▸ card to buy tickets, for example , from the SWR» site or even Trainline. Otherwise once you get a card you would be tied to the website belonging to the card publisher to purchase tickets, if you don't want paper tickets.
I am not sure how you could load a GWR card to the SWR site but it does have a numerical code on the card.
And is there anything to stop non-TOCs▸ such as Trainline from issuing a smartcard?
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2019, 10:26:45 » |
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and not replaceable if lost.....
From GWR▸ .com |
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ChrisB
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2019, 12:01:44 » |
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Given that a very high percentage of people own a smartphone, you'd think that should be the common format? Or is it perceived to be less robust (may not be charged...) in comparison to a smartcard? This was what I was referring to - a smartphone, not a smartcard.... |
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2019, 12:05:37 » |
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GWR▸ are likely to roll out their smartcard quite soon across more of their (barried) destination...
THen we'll all be claouring for cross-operator smartcard acceptance - ie registering one's TOC▸ smartcard with our operators. I don't want (or need to) hold a smartcard from every operator I might use..... I agree that holding multiple smartcards (one for each operator) would be a pain. The student card I had towards the end of my time at university was a 'smart' one that could unlock doors; when I boarded a bus and placed my railcard wallet, containing my university card and my (ITSO) Concessionary Travel Pass, on the bus ticket machine it would sometimes fail to read the ITSO card. The driver explained that the two cards could conflict with each other. I imagine having a student card, contactless bank card and multiple operator's ITSO cards could be rather annoying. That's one of the reasons I returned the contactless debit card my bank supplied me with and asked them to give me a standard chip-and-pin only card instead. A passenger could purchase a ticket on an ITSO card, but the ticket machine might read their contactless bank card instead and they get charged again for their journey. The alternative of a smartphone, which could hold tickets from multiple operators, runs the risk of flat batteries rendering the passenger 'ticketless'. |
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Don't DOO▸ it, keep the guard (but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea if the driver unlocked the doors on arrival at calling points).
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2019, 14:03:12 » |
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TfL» advise that you do not keep your Oyster▸ card and any contactless cards in the same wallet as the wrong card could be read when tapping in or out
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I like to travel. It lets me feel I'm getting somewhere.
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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2019, 10:36:49 » |
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Recent information received suggests GWR▸ smartcards will not be readable at TFL▸ Crossrail stations.
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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2019, 11:37:07 » |
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THat sounds like a software issue. TfL» gates are ITSO, so are GWR▸ , so they *can* be read. TfL would need to load GWR fares to recognise the ticket, that's all.
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« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2019, 09:49:02 » |
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<this page blank> (double posted due to connection failure or similar - and there's no way of deleting a post that I can see) Edit to add - sorry, server issue encouraged the double post when it should not; I have posted an explanation as it's useful for everyone at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=21525.0 . I will leave this here as a pointer to the explanation as you're not the only one to have this happen ... - Grahame |
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