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« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2008, 17:21:05 » |
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Sorry but you would be a lot worse off with National Express........its a good job they didnt win our Franchise for sure...was this lot not the penny pinching shower behind Wessex Trains??
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« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2008, 17:23:52 » |
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Sorry but you would be a lot worse off with National Express........its a good job they didnt win our Franchise for sure...was this lot not the penny pinching shower behind Wessex Trains??
I was thinking more of the fact that they are run by the guy who used to be the Chairman of the SRA» ..... |
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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2008, 18:50:37 » |
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It was bound to happen. GNER▸ were a top railway company, streets ahead of all the other TOCs▸ so anyone who took over was going to find it hard to match the service provided by GNER. Still could have been worse...First could be running it!  |
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 19:08:55 » |
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Sorry but you would be a lot worse off with National Express........its a good job they didnt win our Franchise for sure...was this lot not the penny pinching shower behind Wessex Trains??
i know what you mean about penny pinching shower although i have worked for both and found wessex were more interested in running a service and looking after staff. we will never know if they could run the greater western any better than first but i suspect it would be pretty much the same with the only difference being first have a habbit of making big noticable cock ups and then publicly blame others say atw for instance. this is why i feel fgw get lots of bad press they should stop all these clowns going on the local news trying to blame everything but themselves. |
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2008, 19:18:37 » |
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I would take it that the Newpaper (reporters are the world's best at spin) have picked up on a bad day for Nex East Coast.
I'd admit that National Express have a hard act to follow, GNER▸ was the best Inter-City TOC▸ but I doubt First would run East coast any better than Nat Exp, however with the repution that FGW▸ have built for themselves (and First) over the past 2 years I can't see First winning any franchise's untill FGW is running BETTER than other TOC's
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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2008, 20:23:36 » |
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Try looking up what National Express wanted to do if they had won the Greater Western Franchise , i still reckon that most of the reliabily issues on FGW▸ West stock is due to the fact that National Express whilst trading as WESSEX Trains, spent sod all on the stock for a good number of years and FGW are now reaping the benefits of this penny pincing.
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2008, 21:13:59 » |
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Try looking up what National Express wanted to do if they had won the Greater Western Franchise , i still reckon that most of the reliabily issues on FGW▸ West stock is due to the fact that National Express whilst trading as WESSEX Trains, spent sod all on the stock for a good number of years and FGW are now reaping the benefits of this penny pincing.
you are wrong there the reliability under wessex was far superior than fgw. the reason they are crap now is less stock meaning what we have has to work harder,simply has to leave depot each day to form service unless planned in for work,meaning entering service with known faults. wessex as you say spent nothing on stock in terms of interior type stuff,but mechanical and electrical repairs were done so fgw are not reaping the benefits of penny pinching but have actually bought all this on themselves by not having a clue how to run and maintain dmu services. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2008, 21:28:58 » |
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I would take it that the Newpaper (reporters are the world's best at spin) have picked up on a bad day for Nex East Coast.
I'd admit that National Express have a hard act to follow, GNER▸ was the best Inter-City TOC▸ but I doubt First would run East coast any better than Nat Exp, however with the repution that FGW▸ have built for themselves (and First) over the past 2 years I can't see First winning any franchise's untill FGW is running BETTER than other TOC's
I think you could be very right there smokey. Looks like First have wound the government up so much over the FGW franchise that it could be a long time before they ever get awarded another franchise. If I were First it would make me get the FGW franchise working properly at any cost because in the long term it could seriously jeopadise them ever winning another franchise. Going back to the DMU▸ issue which is being discussed here, its great to finally see more and more refreshed 'West' fleet running on FGW. They look good both inside and out and I hope from a maintainance point of view they are proving more realiable too. |
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2008, 21:55:17 » |
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Sorry but you would be a lot worse off with National Express........its a good job they didnt win our Franchise for sure...was this lot not the penny pinching shower behind Wessex Trains??
As Wessex was run by NX as a management contract, doesn't that make the "penny pinching shower" behind it ... the DfT» ? |
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2008, 21:57:54 » |
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I thought it was a franchise?
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« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2008, 22:42:43 » |
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... WESSEX Trains, spent sod all on the stock for a good number of years and FGW▸ are now reaping the benefits of this penny pinching.
you are wrong there the reliability under wessex was far superior than fgw. the reason they are crap now is less stock meaning what we have has to work harder, simply has to leave depot each day to form service unless planned in for work, meaning entering service with known faults. wessex as you say spent nothing on stock in terms of interior type stuff, but mechanical and electrical repairs were done so fgw are not reaping the benefits of penny pinching but have actually bought all this on themselves by not having a clue how to run and maintain dmu services. Sorry, smithy, but I'm not convinced? In my long-term (10 years+!) experience of commuting from Nailsea to BTM▸ , the local DMUs▸ have always been rather unreliable! For example, this evening, the 1753 was an old (un-refurb) Wessex 150/2: doors A1/A2 were defective - and they had clearly been defective for long enough for FGW to arrange for printed posters to be placed on them, to that effect! What I'm saying is, the mechanical and electrical state of these units is apparently down to years of 'neglect' - and that does go back to when they were run by Wessex!  |
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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2008, 23:11:26 » |
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I personally don't think NX would have done any better with this franchise, after all, NXEC▸ has deteriorated FAR quicker than FGW▸ did, people forget that Wessex was heavilly subsidised so could afford more units, under Wessex there was more overcrowding in the far southwest than there is now, Wessex used to diagram a single 153 on the Falmouth for the SUMMER MONTHS! and a 150 in the winter! also a single 153 on the Newquay in the summer, most paigntons/Exmouths were 2 cars, most of them are 4 car 142's now. Local fares are far cheaper now. The worst thing about FGW is the "Lack of traincrew" excuse which leads to most cancellations!
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