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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2018, 17:49:12 » |
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I suppose it keeps the pot boiling in the local press, but I can’t actually see anything new in this ‘news’.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2018, 18:29:45 » |
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I suppose it keeps the pot boiling in the local press, but I can’t actually see anything new in this ‘news’.
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This was presented at last Saturday's RailFuture conference in Reading .. probably one in a round of presentations of the project, or perhaps the GetSurrey journalist was there which is where he was briefed. I didn't hear any mutterings in that audience to the effect it was new on them ... so I suspect it's pretty new on the more generalist GetSurrey reader and worth the article. Here with our Coffee Shop geeks, it may well be something we've seen before ... but let's help publicise it for others! |
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2018, 09:49:45 » |
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... and the proposed link from Slough, will they have room for planes?
Perhaps a station instead of the third runway. For the cost of the third runway you could build a pukka station. Less noise complaints from the residents.
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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2018, 16:58:27 » |
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I suppose it keeps the pot boiling in the local press, but I can’t actually see anything new in this ‘news’.
Paul
What makes this proposal more practicable is HEX being operated by 387's which are dual voltage stock, so a Padd - Guildford via Heathrow is achievable |
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Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2019, 17:49:32 » |
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From the New Civil EngineerAn official from the Department for Transport (DfT» ) has said that the private sector proposal to build a southern rail link to Heathrow “falls short” of government requirements.
Speaking at a London conference DfT head of private rail investment and contestability George Chilcott said the proposal did have “good ideas” suggesting that the project has not been rejected out of hand. But he concluded that the scheme had “fallen short in understanding the private sector requirements” for private rail projects, dubbed market led proposals (MLPs) by the DfT.
“Heathrow Southern, unfortunately was a sort of parallel project with the same good ideas and good intentions that has fallen short on some of the understanding of the private sector requirements in this sphere.”
The DfT asked the private sector to come up with MLPs for rail schemes in March last year, after original plans for the Heathrow Southern Rail link were originally submitted.
Other schemes, such as the HS4Air scheme and the Windsor to Heathrow rail link have been rejected. |
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2019, 18:35:42 » |
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Whats happening about the West link to Heathrow proposals from the GWR▸ mainline?
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2019, 19:08:48 » |
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Whats happening about the West link to Heathrow proposals from the GWR▸ mainline?
AIUI▸ still going through normal Network Rail processes towards a TWA Order. It wasn’t subject to private sector proposals in the way a possible Southern link was. Paul |
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2019, 19:44:02 » |
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Whats happening about the West link to Heathrow proposals from the GWR▸ mainline?
AIUI▸ still going through normal Network Rail processes towards a TWA Order. It wasn’t subject to private sector proposals in the way a possible Southern link was. Paul It's to big for a TWA - this is from NR» : A Development Consent Order application will subsequently be submitted to the Planning Inspectorate in 2019. This will seek the required consent to build the new railway in line with the plans that have been developed, with a final decision by the Secretary of State for Transport. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2019, 23:16:49 » |
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On the subject of what needs a DCO▸ - Currently this is as defined in the Planning Act 2008 c.29 section 25: 25 Railways
(1)Construction of a railway is within section 14(1)(k) only if—
(a)the railway will (when constructed) be wholly in England,
(b)the railway will (when constructed) be part of a network operated by an approved operator, and
(c)the construction of the railway is not permitted development.
(2)Alteration of a railway is within section 14(1)(k) only if—
(a)the part of the railway to be altered is wholly in England,
(b)the railway is part of a network operated by an approved operator, and
(c)the alteration of the railway is not permitted development.
(3)Construction or alteration of a railway is not within section 14(1)(k) to the extent that the railway forms part (or will when constructed form part) of a rail freight interchange
etc... That means that anything not covered by permitted development needs a DCO - irrespective of length and whether it's new or an alteration (though that is usually permitted development). In 2013, DfT» proposed to amend that so that smaller rail (and road) projects could use ther TWA route again. I found an impact assessment of the amendment, but nothing to say why it never happened, while several other changes did. This was the issue: What is the problem under consideration? Why is government intervention necessary?
The definitions of Nationally Significant Infrastructure Projects (NSIP) in the Planning Act 2008 are insufficiently clear and too widely drafted. A consequence is that most local authority road schemes which connect with the Strategic Road Network, some small Network Rail projects and minor works, and all Highways Agency schemes currently fall within the definition of NSIPs regardless of their scale or scope. These requirements place disproportionate costs and timescales on promoters and give rise to uncertainty in the development process. These problems mean project efficiency is sub-optimal. As the definitions of NSIPs are set in primary legislation, the definition can only be changed by drafting an amending set of regulations. The proposal would introduce new thresholds for DCOs to be compulsory: The threshold for railway schemes will be set so that the construction or alteration of the railway will only require authorisation under the Act where it consists of or includes the construction or alteration of more than 2 continuous route kilometres of railway track (whether this consists of a single or multiple pathways) outside existing operational land.
This would mean that development not including railway track (such as station platforms, bridges etc) or being or including less than 2 continuous route kilometres of track would not require authorisation by a Development Consent Order. Development under permitted development rights will continue to be outside the Planning Act regime. That would mean that the Ipswich Chord, for example (1.4 km of new double-track route) would no longer need a DCO. But it appears to have been dropped within a few months, for some reason. |
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2025, 16:13:51 » |
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Rail Technology Magazine - https://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/articles/new-railway-transform-airport-access-and-boost-uk-economyNew Railway to Transform Airport Access and Boost UK▸ Economy!
Heathrow Southern Railway Limited (HSRL) - the independent private sector venture set up to transform the rail network serving Britain’s busiest airport – has reacted to Wednesday’s announcement that Heathrow will be given the green light for expansion.
HSRL’s plan is to unlock vastly easier access to Heathrow Airport through the construction of up to 8 miles of new railway from the west end of the existing Terminal 5 station, linking with the railway lines coming out of London Waterloo.
When complete, the new railway will open up access to Heathrow from key locations by enabling trains to operate between Heathrow and London Waterloo via Clapham Junction, Putney, Hounslow, Twickenham, Richmond, Staines and other intermediate stations; and between Heathrow, Woking, Guildford, Farnborough and Basingstoke. Direct trains could operate to Heathrow from as far away as the south coast.
The new railway will also improve connectivity between Surrey and London for commuters, creating a new route from Basingstoke, Guildford and Woking via Heathrow Airport to Old Oak Common (for HS2▸ and the Elizabeth Line) and London Paddington. In addition, it would provide for an extension of the Elizabeth Line to Staines-upon-Thames. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2025, 16:55:41 » |
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Rail Technology Magazine - https://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/articles/new-railway-transform-airport-access-and-boost-uk-economyNew Railway to Transform Airport Access and Boost UK▸ Economy!
Heathrow Southern Railway Limited (HSRL) - the independent private sector venture set up to transform the rail network serving Britain’s busiest airport – has reacted to Wednesday’s announcement that Heathrow will be given the green light for expansion.
HSRL’s plan is to unlock vastly easier access to Heathrow Airport through the construction of up to 8 miles of new railway from the west end of the existing Terminal 5 station, linking with the railway lines coming out of London Waterloo.
When complete, the new railway will open up access to Heathrow from key locations by enabling trains to operate between Heathrow and London Waterloo via Clapham Junction, Putney, Hounslow, Twickenham, Richmond, Staines and other intermediate stations; and between Heathrow, Woking, Guildford, Farnborough and Basingstoke. Direct trains could operate to Heathrow from as far away as the south coast.
The new railway will also improve connectivity between Surrey and London for commuters, creating a new route from Basingstoke, Guildford and Woking via Heathrow Airport to Old Oak Common (for HS2▸ and the Elizabeth Line) and London Paddington. In addition, it would provide for an extension of the Elizabeth Line to Staines-upon-Thames. A southern rail link to Heathrow would be good. It's such a big scheme that doing something significant at Ashford about the level crossing (a major sticking point before) should be doable, you'd think. I suppose the thinking is that the Heathrow Express could become a new through service to, say, Guildford? A fascinating thought. Southampton would be stretching it a bit - but there'd be what should be a cross platform connection at Woking. |
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« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 07:25:24 » |
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Rail Technology Magazine - https://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/articles/new-railway-transform-airport-access-and-boost-uk-economyNew Railway to Transform Airport Access and Boost UK▸ Economy!
Heathrow Southern Railway Limited (HSRL) - the independent private sector venture set up to transform the rail network serving Britain’s busiest airport – has reacted to Wednesday’s announcement that Heathrow will be given the green light for expansion.
HSRL’s plan is to unlock vastly easier access to Heathrow Airport through the construction of up to 8 miles of new railway from the west end of the existing Terminal 5 station, linking with the railway lines coming out of London Waterloo.
When complete, the new railway will open up access to Heathrow from key locations by enabling trains to operate between Heathrow and London Waterloo via Clapham Junction, Putney, Hounslow, Twickenham, Richmond, Staines and other intermediate stations; and between Heathrow, Woking, Guildford, Farnborough and Basingstoke. Direct trains could operate to Heathrow from as far away as the south coast.
The new railway will also improve connectivity between Surrey and London for commuters, creating a new route from Basingstoke, Guildford and Woking via Heathrow Airport to Old Oak Common (for HS2▸ and the Elizabeth Line) and London Paddington. In addition, it would provide for an extension of the Elizabeth Line to Staines-upon-Thames. A southern rail link to Heathrow would be good. It's such a big scheme that doing something significant at Ashford about the level crossing (a major sticking point before) should be doable, you'd think. I suppose the thinking is that the Heathrow Express could become a new through service to, say, Guildford? A fascinating thought. Southampton would be stretching it a bit - but there'd be what should be a cross platform connection at Woking. PS - really jumping the gun here, but that would be a same platform connection at Woking if properly planned. |
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The company has been around for years....that's where Graham Cross moved to after his stint with Adrian Shooter at Chiltern Railways.
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