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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2018, 06:24:29 » |
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Passengers have now arrived back at a Exeter St Davids around six hours after the train ground to a halt. Six hours.  Doesn’t fill you with confidence using these fancy ultra modern run by a computer trains. At least with an HST▸ if one power car fails you still have the other in most situations. |
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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2018, 06:34:59 » |
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Passengers have now arrived back at a Exeter St Davids around six hours after the train ground to a halt. Six hours. Doesn’t fill you with confidence using these fancy ultra modern run by a computer trains. At least with an HST▸ if one power car fails you still have the other in most situations. Don't worry, I'm sure GWR▸ have robust contingency plans in place to prevent passengers being stranded for hours in the event of a failure.......🤔 |
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2018, 07:50:42 » |
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Don't worry, I'm sure GWR▸ have robust contingency plans in place to prevent passengers being stranded for hours in the event of a failure.......🤔
Well if they do it wasn't in operation last night...6 hours to get people off a broken down train. Wasn't exactly in the middle of the Highlands of Scotland was it. |
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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2018, 08:15:56 » |
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At least with an HST▸ if one power car fails you still have the other in most situations.
I am not sure an HST with a similar fault would fare any better. If it was a failure of the brake air system it would have affected the whole of an HST. |
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2018, 08:18:51 » |
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Expected 03:00 ... at a first glance, I thought it was another two reports on the sleeper
It finally arrived at 03:05. Amazingly this is was not actually the latest ever arrival into Paddington for 1A35. A few years back just before Christmas the service was delayed at various points along the route due to severe with before finally arriving at 0552. I see 1M80 was also stuck at Exeter for over 3 hours before finally leaving at 0011 but seems to have been terminated at Bristol so not quite sure what anyone travelling through to Birmingham would have done. |
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2018, 08:21:50 » |
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Due credit to frontline GWR▸ and XC▸ staff. They have managed to run a full service to/from the Southwest this morning (14/09/2018), albeit with some minor delays.
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2018, 08:27:13 » |
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At least with an HST▸ if one power car fails you still have the other in most situations.
I am not sure an HST with a similar fault would fare any better. If it was a failure of the brake air system it would have affected the whole of an HST. Hence I said most situations. Fully aware a failure with the brakes and no train is going anywhere. |
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« Reply #37 on: September 14, 2018, 08:55:31 » |
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GWR▸ did at least provide hot food to passengers last night.
Reports that a large order of Domino's Pizza was delivered to Exeter St Davids.
Incident has made the main BBC» News website. No official statement from GWR yet.
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"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #38 on: September 14, 2018, 09:10:57 » |
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Here's the said article mentioned by bignosemac: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-45519014Hundreds of passengers were left stranded on a new GWR▸ high-speed train for six hours after it broke down.
The 12:57 Penzance to Paddington service came to a halt at 17:15 just north of Exeter on Thursday.
About 400 passengers had to be assisted off the Hitachi 800 train with ladders and transferred to another train which took them back to Exeter.
GWR apologised to passengers via social media and said they would be offered a refund and a free ticket. Continues... |
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« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2018, 09:19:30 » |
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I posted this a few weeks ago under another topic...
There is a discussion to be had on what is a reasonable time for a failed train to be blocking a line before it is rescued. As I said above, there needs to be a plan, or if there is a plan maybe it needs revisiting. Do NR» and the TOC▸ 's think that it is acceptable and inevitable that a failed train (and I again qualify to exclude mechanical damage which may prevent movement) may block a running line for up to 3 hours?
Maybe part of the problem is the diversity of rolling stock nowadays - long gone are the days when you could hang a Class 47 on to everything. Maybe as I said above it's risk averse staff who are terrified of using their initiative.
I suggest a few desktop exercise would be good to explore the problems and opportunities around clearing failed trains on to-day's railway.
Although this incident was a loss of air which would have prevented a simple haul-away, I think my point still stands.
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« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2018, 09:23:17 » |
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For me the issue is that a fault on one train stopped the other one from operating. A case of computer says NO and that's not acceptable. Too much reliance on computers to run a train. Great when it works, a pig when it can't be simply overridden at the scene to get passengers back on the move.
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« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2018, 09:35:54 » |
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There's also the problem of transferring the pax in the failed unit to the other unit even if could be uncoupled and reversed....
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« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2018, 09:38:29 » |
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Wonder if this incident will make a future episode of Paddington 24/7, 6 hours was ample time to get a camera crew to the site of the incident by road but no doubt the program makers were not informed of the unfolding comedy by whoever.
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« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2018, 09:42:59 » |
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There's also the problem of transferring the pax in the failed unit to the other unit even if could be uncoupled and reversed....
Yes, but no harder than transferring to a voyager as was eventually done. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2018, 09:59:43 » |
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Does anyone know when the failed train (by then devoid of passengers) was eventually moved?
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