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Author Topic: Row Brewing Over Forthcoming SWT Service Cuts West Of Exeter  (Read 15140 times)
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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2008, 08:06:14 »

Or give SWT (South West Trains) some 158 units from FGW (First Great Western), freed up by the LM (London Midland - recent franchise) 150 units.
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To be fair, Btline may be adapting an idea that I came up with (link below.)
http://www.raildocuments.org.uk/jan08/stage2.doc

My reasoning was as follows :

1) The 158's would have allowed SWT to introduce an hourly London Waterloo-Bristol service.

2) As part of the deal, FGW would have received new-build units for the Portsmouth-Cardiff service from the DfT» (Department for Transport - about)'s 1300 carriages, thus balancing out the loss of the 158's.

3) Some of FGW's remaining 158's would have been allocated to Devon/Cornwall services.
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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2008, 13:14:49 »

Or give SWT (South West Trains) some 158 units from FGW (First Great Western), freed up by the LM (London Midland - recent franchise) 150 units.
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To be fair, Btline may be adapting an idea that I came up with (link below.)
http://www.raildocuments.org.uk/jan08/stage2.doc

3) Some of FGW's remaining 158's would have been allocated to Devon/Cornwall services.
I like that idea!  Grin
I have also noticed you only put Devon/Cornwall Local Services. I may play around with that, see what diagramms would get what, if that is OK.
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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2008, 17:18:10 »

Oh crumbs, I have seemed to cause quite a misunderstanding! Shocked

At no point did I suggest that FGW (First Great Western) give up any of their units. Wink

I meant that incoming stock (such as the "new build" that Lee suggested) could off set a few 158s for SWT (South West Trains) to keep the Devon services.

I was assuming that SWT would want 158s to keep a standard fleet.

Has this cleared it up?  Huh
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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 17:25:02 »

Oh crumbs, I have seemed to cause quite a misunderstanding! Shocked

At no point did I suggest that FGW (First Great Western) give up any of their units. Wink

I meant that incoming stock (such as the "new build" that Lee suggested) could off set a few 158s for SWT (South West Trains) to keep the Devon services.

I was assuming that SWT would want 158s to keep a standard fleet.

Has this cleared it up?  Huh
To a degree. Yes SWT can have FGW 158s if these are replaced by new rolling stock but not if they are being replaced by worn out 150/1s from London Midland for long distance services such as Cardiff-Portsmouth and services in Devon and Cornwall where 158s are currently diagramed.
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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 17:50:48 »

True, although I had assumed that FGW (First Great Western) had decided to re-diagram all West routes to 75 mph, for reliability and stock issues!
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« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2008, 18:06:13 »

Lee, the 158s were replacements for the class 170 fleet that are now on the Manchester to Hull TPE (Trans Pennine Express) route. In addition, their primary purpose with SWT (South West Trains) are for the Salisbury 6 service, and the franchise requirement of 2 trains in each peak in the flow of traffic to be 10 coaches long. This utilises 9 of the 11 that SWT have, of which 2 are currently away at EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about) of course.
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« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2008, 19:08:54 »

Lee, the 158s were replacements for the class 170 fleet that are now on the Manchester to Hull TPE (Trans Pennine Express) route. In addition, their primary purpose with SWT (South West Trains) are for the Salisbury 6 service, and the franchise requirement of 2 trains in each peak in the flow of traffic to be 10 coaches long. This utilises 9 of the 11 that SWT have, of which 2 are currently away at EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about) of course.

Thanks for that, swlines. I think that you are reffering to 158's that SWT have already received.

My main aim in proposing that SWT have some of the FGW (First Great Western) 158's in addition to the 158's that SWT already have now (as long as FGW receive new-build units to compensate) was to give them the resources required to introduce an hourly London Waterloo-Bristol service. Of course, there's no law that says that SWT would have to use the ex-FGW 158's on the new London Waterloo-Bristol services, and it would be up to them to decide which units from the enlarged overall SWT fleet would be best suited to that task.

Or give SWT some 158 units from FGW, freed up by the LM (London Midland - recent franchise) 150 units.
I'll pretend I didn't read that comment  Angry

To be fair, Btline may be adapting an idea that I came up with (link below.)
http://www.raildocuments.org.uk/jan08/stage2.doc

3) Some of FGW's remaining 158's would have been allocated to Devon/Cornwall services.
I like that idea!  Grin
I have also noticed you only put Devon/Cornwall Local Services. I may play around with that, see what diagramms would get what, if that is OK.

That's fine qprrule. One of the reasons that I only put Devon/Cornwall services was because I dont pretend to know as much about that part of the network as forum members from the area concerned. As such, I was rather hoping that someone would "pick up the baton" on that, so to speak.

I will be very interested to see what you, and indeed others, come up with.
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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2008, 21:48:08 »

Or give SWT (South West Trains) some 158 units from FGW (First Great Western), freed up by the LM (London Midland - recent franchise) 150 units.
I'll pretend I didn't read that comment  Angry

To be fair, Btline may be adapting an idea that I came up with (link below.)
http://www.raildocuments.org.uk/jan08/stage2.doc

3) Some of FGW's remaining 158's would have been allocated to Devon/Cornwall services.
I like that idea!  Grin
I have also noticed you only put Devon/Cornwall Local Services. I may play around with that, see what diagramms would get what, if that is OK.

That's fine qprrule. One of the reasons that I only put Devon/Cornwall services was because I dont pretend to know as much about that part of the network as forum members from the area concerned. As such, I was rather hoping that someone would "pick up the baton" on that, so to speak.

I will be very interested to see what you, and indeed others, come up with.
Thanks Lee, Please can you post the link to the thread where you orginally posted your plans. Many thanks.
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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2008, 21:54:33 »

Thanks Lee, Please can you post the link to the thread where you orginally posted your plans. Many thanks.

Here it is (link below.)
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1407.msg8181#msg8181
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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2008, 00:07:32 »

The view from Ivybridge Rail Users Group on the possible cuts to SWT (South West Trains) services west of Exeter (link below.)
http://www.irug.ik.com/news/6367105698.ikml
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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2008, 15:46:28 »

THIS ISN'T GOOD. I think I am gonna start a petition for a replacement company for SWT (South West Trains).

I think maybe fgw could introduce some London-paignton/plymouth services to replace the swt service.
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2008, 15:50:18 »

As much I agree with you, it was actually the D(a)fT (department for tarmac) who specified these very useful services being dropped from the timetable!

Perhaps we should lobby to get rid of the government, not that it would be difficult the way they are headed Wink
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2008, 15:52:05 »

How about lobby for more rolling stock instead.... problem solved for all TOCs (Train Operating Company)!
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« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2008, 15:53:12 »

And the Labour government is going to fund it are they?

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« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2008, 15:59:39 »

Sorry, are Labour funding the new 390s? Not as far as I'm aware.

The ROSCOs» (Rolling Stock Owning Company - about) fund new trains, but only after approval from the DfT» (Department for Transport - about).
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