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« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2022, 18:28:16 »

I do apologise if my rather rushed post this morning misled. I was passing on RTT» (Real Time Trains - website)'s "official" explanations, assuming their wording obviously havd nothing to do with "The Railway".

There is accessible support information for the data feeds in the Open Rail Data Wiki, but it isn't up to date.

The Schedule feed contains the WTT (Working Time-Table) entries, which are there from one timetable change date to the next. There is an entry per service, indexed by UID number. Services added during the timetable's currency have STP entries. These are "targeted"  to be in place twelve weeks in advance, though obviously some happen much later than that.

Changes are made by added entries with the same UID, and these apply on stated days only. Adding a CAN entry means a service does not run on that day. Adding a VAR entry means the service runs, but with differences.

Very Short Term Planned entries come in a different data feed (called VSTP). They use the same format as in the Schedule feed; they are interpreted as overriding those. No more detail is offered by the Wiki. I think they were originally expected to all be new entries, i.e. equivalent to STP but too late for one. Now it seems they have discovered that the other entry types are also possible and are using them. The "V" in these means "Very short term", i.e. in the last 48 hours.

VST  new services added in the VSTP
Anything in the Schedule - WTT, WTT+VAR, STP, and I think STP+VAR and even VST, can be altered by VVR or cancelled by VCN.

My take on this is that the 48 hour cut-off was the last time a train schedule could be sensibly altered, as at that point the schedule was turned into train plans (allocate stock and crew, plan station movements, etc..). Any later change or cancellation was dealt with operationally, as a deviation from the current timetable. But a new train was still worth adding, so that everyone at least had a UID to work to. Since it wasn't in the train plans yet that wasn't a constraint; and it would have to be improvised into existence in any case.

If that was how it worked in the olden days - say five years ago - now the TOCs (Train Operating Company) have a need to change the schedule very late so as to make their cancellations vanish. Thus they are now using these new entry types, for which the new codes are appearing in RTT (where they were invented, I think). This evolution is not reflected in the documentation available (of course much of that was not intended as public).

Another evolution: The VSTP feed is updated in real time; the Schedule feed is only updated overnight. Logically, there should be nothing in the Schedule feed that is new and applies within the next two days. However, the Wiki implies that may happen, so I guess realtimeness has been spreading throughout the system.
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« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2022, 18:30:51 »

(Way over my head!)

Mine too ... I have tried to come up with a complete list in "English":

As it is planned to be:
WTT (Working Time-Table) - Working Timetable

Variations:
VAR - Varied from the working timetable well ahead of time
STP - Short term varied
VST(P) - Very short term varied
VVR - varied and then varied again

Cancellations:
CAN - Cancelled well ahead
VC(A)N - Varied and then cancelled

I think it's more like this:

WTT - in the timetable as published (may be planned to vary with date)
STP, VST - added to the timetables since the WTT
VAR, VVR - changed since introduction
CAN, VCN - planned cancellation (so won't appear in the current timetable)

VST, VVR, and VCN are late changes and may not be reflected throughout the system
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« Reply #32 on: December 31, 2022, 10:17:15 »

Good to see services running from Severn Beach again today - first train left at 06:01 and scheduled hourly, through there's at least one 2 hour gap - late cancellation due to crew issues.
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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2023, 10:39:18 »

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Due to the sea flooding the railway between Clifton Down and Severn Beach, the line is blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed, or revised.
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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2023, 11:28:45 »

GWR (Great Western Railway) clearly think the River Avon had a promotion...

Meanwhile:

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Flood alert for Tidal River Avon at Bristol, Pill and Shirehampton

Tides are expected to be higher than usual due to spring tides. First forecast high water is 20:30 on 21/02/23. Second forecast high water is 08:45 on 22/02/23. All times are local and refer to the high water time at Avonmouth. Plan driving routes to coastal roads, which may be flooded. Please be careful along beaches, promenades and coastal footpaths and roads. We expect flooding to affect the tidal River Avon from Sea Mills to Conham in Bristol and between the Avonmouth Bridge and Shirehampton Park including Pill and Shirehampton. We are closely monitoring the situation. Our incident response staff are closing flood gates. This message will be updated Wednesday 22/02/23, or as the situation changes.

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« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2023, 11:34:45 »

Looks like a couple of trains were cancelled this morning; all appears back to normal now according to Realtime Trains...

Update: gwr.com says normal service after 13.00. Looks like they may be making use of the CFN (Clifton Down station, or possibly a reference to an administrator on this forum, Chris from Nailsea, depending on context) turnback.
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« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2023, 21:26:38 »

Looks like a couple of trains were cancelled this morning; all appears back to normal now according to Realtime Trains...

Update: gwr.com says normal service after 13.00. Looks like they may be making use of the CFN (Clifton Down station, or possibly a reference to an administrator on this forum, Chris from Nailsea, depending on context) turnback.
Not quite: my parents went off to Oxford for the day and found, when they got back into Temple Meads at about 1630, that they could not get a train to Sea Mills because the bridge there was being checked over.

They obviously opened the line at some point because 2K54 (1810 Weston-s-Mare - Severn Beach) got through to Severn Beach but its return 2K57 (2001 Severn Beach - Bristol Temple Meads) is, as at 2130 still at Avonmouth from which it should have departed at 2010! The line is again closed from Shirehampton to Clifton Down as I write this and the Clifton Down turnback is again in use. Screenshot attached from OpenTrainTimes.

Online sources give tide as being due at 14.08m @ 2108hrs.

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Edit @ 2210hrs: Just come back from Sea Mills where I noted that the high water mark was only about 1ft above the section of path that runs under the bridge on the station side. High tide forecast at 14.28m @ 0926 for Thursday morning (23rd February) according to https://www.tidetimes.org.uk/port-of-bristol-avonmouth-tide-times-20230223
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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2023, 08:25:30 »

GWR (Great Western Railway) are running a shuttle service between BRI» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains) and CFN (Clifton Down station, or possibly a reference to an administrator on this forum, Chris from Nailsea, depending on context) this morning, at approx 26 min intervals.
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« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2023, 17:27:22 »

I had a look under the viaduct at Sea Mills on the weekend. Presumably these girders are supposed to brace it during high tides. I can see why NR» (Network Rail - home page) might be a bit worried!

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« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2023, 19:03:31 »

I had a look under the viaduct at Sea Mills on the weekend. Presumably these girders are supposed to brace it during high tides. I can see why NR» (Network Rail - home page) might be a bit worried!



Looks pretty ‘non-structural’ to me! Shocked
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« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2023, 23:03:19 »

Looks pretty ‘non-structural’ to me! Shocked

Especially the bit stuck in the mud in the foreground...
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« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2023, 09:05:20 »

Indeed. I've stated here before my fear each time I've walked under the bridge following the Avon Walkway path on the mudflats, as there is much corrosion evident all around. If you are in a train, you obviously don't see the state of the pillars, so travel completely unaware.

Presumably as a first measure, NR» (Network Rail - home page) could install a speed limit over the bridge, but would that help at all?

If not, any work to the bridge would obviously mean the closure of the line beyond Sea Mills (and possibly beyond Clifton Down, as would Sea Mills be able to act as a station with works so close by?). It would be ironic if that happened on the day Portway Parkway opened!
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« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2023, 09:40:25 »

Indeed. I've stated here before my fear each time I've walked under the bridge following the Avon Walkway path on the mudflats, as there is much corrosion evident all around. If you are in a train, you obviously don't see the state of the pillars, so travel completely unaware.

Presumably as a first measure, NR» (Network Rail - home page) could install a speed limit over the bridge, but would that help at all?

If not, any work to the bridge would obviously mean the closure of the line beyond Sea Mills (and possibly beyond Clifton Down, as would Sea Mills be able to act as a station with works so close by?). It would be ironic if that happened on the day Portway Parkway opened!

I am not a signaller, but my understanding is that (without some sort of pilot working) trains can only be turned back at Clifton Down and Avonmouth.

My assumption is that the bracing girders were added some time after the bridge was originally constructed. As such, they could presumably be replaced if (and it may be a big 'if') the columns are in a reasonable state. From the look of the girders, it would possibly be better to remove them to prevent damage to the columns when they inevitably collapse.
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« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2023, 12:02:01 »

Seamills, the bridges, from across the river. Photo from 2008.

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« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2023, 12:24:29 »

This picture, taken around 1963, shows the girders in a better state. I wonder if they've been painted since?


Gillett's Crossing from Bristol, United Kingdom, CC BY 2.0 <https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0>, via Wikimedia Commons
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