Class 800s to Cheltenham & Hereford wef 25/06/2018

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[DaveHarries]

Evening all,

For anyone interested there are now two diagrams for Class 800s on RealTimeTrains for services between London Paddington and Cheltenham Spa / Hereford, commencing Monday 25th June 2018. As far as I can tell the diagrams are:

5G11 0713 North Pole IEP^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) Depot - London Paddington
1G11 0736 London Paddington - Cheltenham Spa
5L50 0956 Cheltenham Spa - Cheltenham Spa
1L50 1036 Cheltenham Spa - London Paddington
1G38 1336 London Paddington - Cheltenham Spa
5L80 1556 Cheltenham Spa - Cheltenham Spa
1L80 1620 Cheltenham Spa - London Paddington
5L80 1850 London Paddington - North Pole IEP Depot

5G29 1058 North Pole IEP Depot - London Paddington
1G29 1136 London Paddington - Cheltenham Spa
5L67 1356 Cheltenham Spa - Cheltenham Spa
1L67 1436 Cheltenham Spa - London Paddington
1W02 1722 London Paddington - Hereford
5P51 2128 Hereford - Hereford
1P51 2151 Hereford - London Paddington
5P51 0131 London Paddington - North Pole IEP Depot

In addition, effective Monday 02nd July, there will be a Class 800 diagram from Stoke Gifford depot which will also provide Class 800 runs for Hereford and more for Worcester:

3P12 0330 Stoke Gifford IEP Depot - Hereford
1P12 0528 Hereford - London Paddington
1D18 0851 London Paddington - Oxford
5P24 0954 Oxford - Oxford
1P24 1101 Oxford - London Paddington
1W25 1221 London Paddington - Worcester Shrub Hill
5P61 1456 Worcester Shrub Hill - Worcester Shrub Hill
1P61 1522 Worcester Shrub Hill - London Paddington
1W36 1752 London Paddington - Worcester Shrub Hill
5P67 2013 Worcester Shrub Hill - Worcester Foregate Street
1P49 2059 Worcester Foregate Street - London Paddington
5P49 2347 London Paddington - North Pole IEP Depot

HTIOI,
Dave

[ChrisB]

Hereford-Hereford? Positioning move?

[phile]

Hereford-Hereford? Positioning move?

To cross over

[Richard Fairhurst]

Are those for single or doubled-up IETs^▸ (Intercity Express Train)? They appear to be replacing HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train), and the 05.28 from Hereford and 17.22 from Paddington, in particular, need the full capacity... but I'd be surprised to see 5+5s running on the Cotswold Line before work has even started on the platform extensions.

[IndustryInsider]

Stopping boards are up for all lengths of IET^▸ (Intercity Express Train) trains.  Could these be debuts for the 9-car units though?  Although possible, it will be a right pain to have 2x5 Cars until extensions are built, especially at places like Hanborough and Honeybourne.

[Wizard]

The first two diagrams are certainly intended to be 9 car 800s.

[ChrisB]

Selective on a 9car will be little different to an HST^▸ (High Speed Train)

[CMRail]

I’ll take to this thread then,

I took to Rail Forums and some very passive aggressive people started arguing over the size of a train so I’ll take to here.

When the service between Cheltenham Spa and London Paddington are almost hourly, what size units will be allocated to them? 5-car or 9-car and if 5-car what about peak services and where would the 9cars be allocated?

Thanks

[Timmer]

I’ll take to this thread then,

I took to Rail Forums and some very passive aggressive people started arguing over the size of a train so I’ll take to here.

When the service between Cheltenham Spa and London Paddington are almost hourly, what size units will be allocated to them? 5-car or 9-car and if 5-car what about peak services and where would the 9cars be allocated?

Thanks

We are a little, sorry a lot more friendly than some on the above said forum.

[CMRail]

Passove aggressive wasn’t the word..
a selective group of people on said forum was providing false information and turning it into a petty argument with mods.

Anyway.

[stuving]

I’ll take to this thread then,

I took to Rail Forums and some very passive aggressive people started arguing over the size of a train so I’ll take to here.

When the service between Cheltenham Spa and London Paddington are almost hourly, what size units will be allocated to them? 5-car or 9-car and if 5-car what about peak services and where would the 9cars be allocated?

Thanks

The original planning assumption for the IEP^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) programme was for 5-car trains, doubled up for the two each way that fall within the peak at Paddington (7-9 inbound and 5-7 outbound). Which is not a surprise, given there were not then going to be any 9-car bi-modes. Now, with more trains and all bi-modes, there is a lot more flexibility. Part of that is the extra option of diagrams that send a 9-car train to Cheltenham once in a day and to other destinations as well.

[IndustryInsider]

The exact patterns formations won’t have been decided upon yet, as the timings of the new service hasn’t been decided upon.  But there’s the option of 5, 9 or 10 car working with a ‘commitment’ that no peak arrivals into London in the morning, or departing from London in the evening will be any less than 9-cars.

So, I’d imagine most off-peak workings will be 5-car, with 9 and 2x5 in the peaks.  The odd 9 or 2x5 car may well work off-peak as well to balance out the workings, and there is a possibility that some might run as 10 between London and Swindon and 5 between Swindon and Cheltenham.  I doubt 2x5 services will operate until all planned platform extensions are completed.

[CMRail]

Start was moved forward to the 11th, however seems like now will be 18th due to a delayed delivery. Will have to wait and see now.

[grahame]

... But there’s the option of 5, 9 or 10 car working with a ‘commitment’ that no peak arrivals into London in the morning, or departing from London in the evening will be any less than 9-cars. ...

Alas, I think that "commitment" has already been broken.  Unless it was caveated with "once the delivery of all the new trains and all the training we need to do is completed".   It might make sense to run 10 car London to Reading, train divides for Cheltenham Spa and Bedwyn.

Come to think of it ... how are they going to run peak Bedwyn commuter trains from London otherwise, meeting their commitment, but with only a five car turn back siding? 

[IndustryInsider]

Come to think of it ... how are they going to run peak Bedwyn commuter trains from London otherwise, meeting their commitment, but with only a five car turn back siding? 

I would imagine the peak Bedwyn's will run through to Westbury/Frome like they do now, so the turnback length won't be an issue.  There would also be the option of splitting a 2x5 car unit at Reading, one portion working on to Bedwyn.