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Author Topic: One, then perhaps 2 year First extension?  (Read 6180 times)
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2017, 16:58:51 »

If they are promised stock released from another area and it doesn't happen - are you suggesting they move the stock anyway? that just moves the problem. How else do they solve this do you suggest? Realisticaly we have to accept that the problem is off our Government's making.
Not at all, just keep the current stock running reliably. Yes I know fitters have gone over to Hitachi causing a backlog but I say again, this is a private company making money out of this franchise so need to come up with the solution.

Why do people want to keep making excuses for a privately owned profit making company?

Because some people have "gone native" and are naive enough to sit up & beg at a few crumbs chucked down from the Corporate table believing that constitutes influence and don't realise that in reality they're being used as a free advocacy service. They are well meaning folks I am sure, but to be honest anyone who goes into bat on behalf of GWR (Great Western Railway) has either got a screw loose, is on the payroll and/or counting on something in their Xmas stocking from the invisible man aka Hopwood.
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« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2017, 00:08:24 »

Not at all, just keep the current stock running reliably. Yes I know fitters have gone over to Hitachi causing a backlog but I say again, this is a private company making money out of this franchise so need to come up with the solution.

Why do people want to keep making excuses for a privately owned profit making company?

Because some people have "gone native" and are naive enough to sit up & beg at a few crumbs chucked down from the Corporate table believing that constitutes influence and don't realise that in reality they're being used as a free advocacy service. They are well meaning folks I am sure, but to be honest anyone who goes into bat on behalf of GWR (Great Western Railway) has either got a screw loose, is on the payroll and/or counting on something in their Xmas stocking from the invisible man aka Hopwood.

<irony> And of course British Rail was perfect and Network Rail and DfT» (Department for Transport - about) have nothing to do with GWR's problems.</irony>

Actually I quite favour the idea of a nationalised operator - provided they are allowed the freedom from political interference to get on with the job.  Am I to be thought of as 'bought' merely because I suggest that there might be another side to the to the picture painted by Taplow Green?

Those who let contracts are just as responsible for the result as those who take them. The contract sets the rules the contractor merely plays by them. Get your sums wrong or the economic climate changes and a slim profit margin can soon turn into a massive loss - as Stagecoach/Virgin have found out on the East Coast.  DfT's behaviour says you have to promise to pay them lots of money or you don't get the contract, but they do not seem to bother about customer service. So money becomes the main driver. That's not First Groups rules or StageCoaches - its DfT's.



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« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2017, 00:18:16 »

To be fair, recent franchises that have been let have put much more emphasis on the customer experience.  Though hopefully the end of franchises being let which have huge premium payments backloaded towards the final few years will become a thing of the past.
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2017, 14:46:03 »

It'd be the same reasons if it were a nationalised company - but you wouldn't be quite so critical of them!
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2017, 14:56:22 »

Those who let contracts are just as responsible for the result as those who take them.

I disagree.  Noone is forcing poor little First Group to sign a contract which is poorly drafted.  They take a look at it and smell money and sign.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 14:59:46 »

It'd be the same reasons if it were a nationalised company - but you wouldn't be quite so critical of them!

Are you seriously suggesting that BR (British Rail(ways)) did not come in for heavy criticism?  It was a constant butt of jokes in exactly the same way as GWR (Great Western Railway) has become. 

The only thing in favour of BR is that it managed to deliver a poor service with very little money whereas NR» (Network Rail - home page) and the ToCs do far better in that they manage to deliver a poor service which very much more money. 
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2017, 15:04:43 »

Indeed, but in this case, it would still be the nationalised company's paymasters (the DfT» (Department for Transport - about)) cocking up the IET (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) order/scheduling of stock moves, wouldn't it?
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