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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2017, 20:03:33 »

A person struck by a train (1A25 16:30 Bristol TM (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) to London Paddington) this evening at Sydney Gardens in Bath and the resultant service alterations have left many crews in the wrong place this evening, compounding the other listed problems. It appears that some of the crews for the 18:32 Westbury to Swindon  and 18:48 Swindon to Westbury (17:40 Cheltenham to Southampton) services were trapped the wrong side of the line closure.
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2017, 20:43:20 »

A person struck by a train (1A25 16:30 Bristol TM (Train Manager, or possibly Ticket Machine, depending on context) to London Paddington) this evening at Sydney Gardens in Bath and the resultant service alterations have left many crews in the wrong place this evening, compounding the other listed problems. It appears that some of the crews for the 18:32 Westbury to Swindon  and 18:48 Swindon to Westbury (17:40 Cheltenham to Southampton) services were trapped the wrong side of the line closure.

I can understand the reasons ... and presumably some of the crews due to work in the Bath and Bristol area were stuck near Westbury  Wink

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... the 20:06 Swindon to Westbury cancelled for the same reason

... the 07:33 Westbury to Swindon cancelled due to a train fault

... the 08:49 Swindon to Westbury cancelled due to a train fault

... the 09:48 Westbury to Swindon cancelled due to a train fault and (I think) later re-instated

... the 10:47 Swindon to Westbury cancelled due to a train fault and (I think) later re-instated

That's seven services lost of out of 18 - 38% cancellation - and none of those due to issues on the line in question.  If these problems were occasional, then fair enough - but overall reliability has fallen through the floor in the last couple of months.

By the way - a week ago on Sunday, I reported 12 out of 13 cancellations due to lack of crew.  In a conversation today, I learned that 2 were re-instated so the cancellation rate I reported should have been 77% not 92%.

Even those of us who are keen advocates of rail find it hard not to get depressed when service after service after service is lost due to lack of working trains, lack of someone to drive them, or lack of someone to look after the passengers.  I believe the franchise sets cancellation targets of 1%, or is it 2%;  give us the loss of a round trip every couple of days (and this evening's reason would have been logical for today's loss) - that's a 6% failure rate - and we can start to talk more positively again. 

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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2017, 21:33:13 »

Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service.
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2017, 23:33:43 »

Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service.

There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! Unable to resource another driver at such short notice and with the renewal work already underway, the line was not able to be handed back and will have to wait until tonight for the ballast to be dropped.
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2017, 23:59:24 »

You couldn't make it up ... could you?  Shocked Roll Eyes

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2017, 06:22:34 »


I can't see any information anywhere on GWR (Great Western Railway)'s efforts to provide alternative transport (following the earlier note about no road transport).


We are told by Somerset Live:

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Buses were requested to run, however there is currently no road transport available. Where possible, customers are advised to travel tomorrow (October 3). Great Western Railway tickets valid for travel today will be accepted for travel tomorrow."

There could indeed be a shortage of buses in Somerset at present, with it being only a few days since Avalon Coaches lost the school contract ...
I believe that The buses of Somerset have taken over some the cancelled routes
Buses of Somerset being the local First Group operator in the area.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2017, 07:08:27 »

There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary!

You couldn't make it up ... could you?  Shocked Roll Eyes

What a wonderful example of specialisation in a mass market industry; journeys into the thousands disrupted by an issue involving the knowledge of a single person, on no-one else around to stand in for him/her.
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2017, 08:11:13 »

Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service.

There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! Unable to resource another driver at such short notice and with the renewal work already underway, the line was not able to be handed back and will have to wait until tonight for the ballast to be dropped.
Seriously, who runs the railways now? Laurel and Hardy?
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2017, 09:19:46 »

There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary!

You couldn't make it up ... could you?  Shocked Roll Eyes

What a wonderful example of specialisation in a mass market industry; journeys into the thousands disrupted by an issue involving the knowledge of a single person, on no-one else around to stand in for him/her.

And the fact that person really ought to have known his or her familiarity of the proposed route before departing! I do hope a stern conversation is had with that person and his or her driver/rostering manager.
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2017, 09:49:32 »

What a wonderful example of specialisation in a mass market industry; journeys into the thousands disrupted by an issue involving the knowledge of a single person, on no-one else around to stand in for him/her.

I though the concept of route knowledge, and the weighty rule book that Must Be Obeyed, both go back to the days of GWR (Great Western Railway) and the other big railway companies. What surprises me rather is that route knowledge matters that much within a possession, where signals are ignored and the track has just be torn up and relaid. Surely there is a way to work the train there, to do its job, even if getting it back might be a problem. At the worst it gets left at Pen Mill, in a siding or even in a platform, for a day.
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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2017, 12:18:30 »

Not "as important" but engineering works overran on the Barnstaple line too, causing the 07.00 to run 1 hour late, the 08.43 to be cancelled, the 09.43 to run 20 late, the 10.43 to run 20 late...  which then caused the Exmouth line to have its service cut by half to turn the trains to run right time to Paignton with a couple of full Exmouths and Paigntons cancellations.
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2017, 18:09:13 »

Be interested to know what caused such a massive overrun between Castle Cary and Yeovil to knock the entire day's train service.

There was an engineers train scheduled to depart Westbury last night to drop ballast between Castle Cary and Yeovil in connection with overnight engineering work involving track renewal, however it was discovered after the train had left Westbury that the rostered Freightliner driver didn't actually have route knowledge south of Castle Cary! Unable to resource another driver at such short notice and with the renewal work already underway, the line was not able to be handed back and will have to wait until tonight for the ballast to be dropped.
Seriously, who runs the railways now? Laurel and Hardy?

Remember Laurel & Hardy were acting.....to the railways it's all perfectly normal.
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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2017, 20:49:36 »

Remember Laurel & Hardy were acting.....to the railways it's all perfectly normal.
It is for the long suffering passengers as well.
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2017, 21:42:51 »

Remember Laurel & Hardy were acting.....to the railways it's all perfectly normal.
It is for the long suffering passengers as well.

It's another fine mess they've got us into.
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« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2017, 06:26:56 »

Cancellations to services between Reading and Slough


Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Slough some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:00 05/10.
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