TonyK
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« Reply #1965 on: July 30, 2019, 18:56:06 » |
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Oh dear, here we go again....... From the WNXX▸ Forum: The Hitachi mobile technician was busy at Exeter this morning. 1A72 and 1A73 both had issues after being struck by waves and spray at Dawlish. 1A73 (05:29 Plymouth to Paddington) with 802106 left Exeter 51 minutes late after multiple GUs had shut down. Next along was 1A72 (05:53 Plymouth to Paddington) with 802104. This also had multiple GUs shut down whilst traversing the Dawlish sea wall. This departed Exeter 25 minutes late after the technician managed to get 3 of the GUs working. 1A72 overtook 1A73 at Exeter (instead of at Westbury) as restarting the GUs on 1A73 took longer. Graphite Underpants? Geranium Utilisers? Ghanaian Unidexters? Asking for a friend. |
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« Reply #1966 on: July 30, 2019, 19:13:44 » |
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Tonight the 1648 Cardiff to Swansea got tangled up in the silly string between Swindon and Stoke Gifford Parkway, ended up an hour late, and Hopwood's geniuses decided that, instead of reforming it as the 1751, they'd then run it non-stop to Swansea. The 1751 then got sent via Chippenham, but the lordly denizens of Stoke Gifford Parkway couldn't be set down at Stapleton Road, Filton, or Patchway and complete their journeys by bus. Oh no. Instead Hopwood's geniuses waste so much time reversing that at their little halt in Stoke Gifford that the 1751 also runs non-stop Cardiff to Swansea. But by this time, all the passengers from two IETs▸ have ended up on TfW's two-car Pacer 1806 all stations Cardiff to Swansea. Which then gets held at Port Talbot so that Hopwood's empty 1751 (cough, 1820) can delay anyone going home to Neath even more. Why does Hopwood hate Neath so much? It's a large town and a much more convenient station for Mid and West Wales than that dinky terminus in Swansea. It is not, unlike Stoke Gifford Crossing Parkway Halt, an appropriate station to skip. Ever. Here endeth the rant.
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Western Pathfinder
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« Reply #1967 on: July 30, 2019, 21:25:41 » |
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G U = Generation Units ?...
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« Reply #1968 on: July 30, 2019, 21:34:34 » |
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G U = Generation Units ?...
Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me). |
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martyjon
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« Reply #1969 on: July 30, 2019, 21:45:46 » |
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G U = Generation Units ?...
Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me). I disagree its the Dynamo/ Alternator. |
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« Reply #1970 on: July 30, 2019, 22:40:14 » |
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G U = Generation Units ?...
Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me). I disagree its the Dynamo/ Alternator. It’s both, the engine, the cooler group, the alternator, the emissions control - all in one unit. |
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broadgage
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« Reply #1971 on: July 30, 2019, 23:26:43 » |
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G U = Generation Units ?...
Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me). Yes, engine by any commonsense standards. However TPTB▸ don't like any mention of "engines" as that might give the impression that nasty polluting diesel fuel is involved. "Generating units" sounds more modern and might give a more positive impression that the power is electricity, or pixie dust, or positive thoughts, rather than nasty old fashioned engines. Also, references to "engines" might suggest that the new trains are DMUs▸ with underfloor engines. "DMU" is considered a negative term that critics might associate with shorter trains, less luggage space, and no buffet. These are the wonderous new purpose designed Intercity Express Trains. Any suggestions that they might actually be DMUs are to be discouraged, as are allegations that they wont have a buffet, or that they might be shorter, or not be able to accommodate holiday luggage, cycles, and surfboards. Some people might even consider them to be a DOWNGRADE. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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Incider
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« Reply #1972 on: July 30, 2019, 23:42:56 » |
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G U = Generation Units ?...
Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me). Yes, engine by any commonsense standards. However TPTB▸ don't like any mention of "engines" as that might give the impression that nasty polluting diesel fuel is involved. "Generating units" sounds more modern and might give a more positive impression that the power is electricity, or pixie dust, or positive thoughts, rather than nasty old fashioned engines. Also, references to "engines" might suggest that the new trains are DMUs▸ with underfloor engines. "DMU" is considered a negative term that critics might associate with shorter trains, less luggage space, and no buffet. These are the wonderous new purpose designed Intercity Express Trains. Any suggestions that they might actually be DMUs are to be discouraged, as are allegations that they wont have a buffet, or that they might be shorter, or not be able to accommodate holiday luggage, cycles, and surfboards. Some people might even consider them to be a DOWNGRADE. Or maybe, there is just no conspiracy and they are called GU’s, as that precisely what they are. If they weren’t slung under a train, they’d be called Gensets. Traditional DMU’s are powered by a traditional drive train of engine, gearbox, driveshaft (Cardan shaft) and final drive on the axle, whereas these, as voyagers, are diesel electrics, with the engine being purely the power for the generator. |
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broadgage
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« Reply #1973 on: July 31, 2019, 00:06:48 » |
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Of course it is a conspiracy to try and make the IETs▸ sound better and not like a DMU▸ with the negative connotations thereof.
Does anyone refer to the Generating Units on a Voyager, or on Ye Olde Hampshire units, or indeed on an HST▸ ? No of course not ! they are called engines.
Just another silly re-branding like calling track defects "safety inspections of the track"
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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IndustryInsider
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« Reply #1974 on: July 31, 2019, 01:46:47 » |
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Don’t worry, Broadgage. The crew will be calling them engines for many years to come.  |
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To view my GWML▸ Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/ |
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martyjon
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« Reply #1975 on: July 31, 2019, 02:21:22 » |
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G U = Generation Units ?...
Actually WP I understand it as 'Generating Unit' (Engine to you and me). I disagree its the Dynamo/ Alternator. It’s both, the engine, the cooler group, the alternator, the emissions control - all in one unit. OK , its both, twice over or a four in one. |
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Incider
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« Reply #1976 on: July 31, 2019, 08:09:10 » |
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Of course it is a conspiracy to try and make the IETs▸ sound better and not like a DMU▸ with the negative connotations thereof.
Does anyone refer to the Generating Units on a Voyager, or on Ye Olde Hampshire units, or indeed on an HST▸ ? No of course not ! they are called engines.
Just another silly re-branding like calling track defects "safety inspections of the track"
Not called GU’s on other classes, as it not all in a combined ‘unit’ that is removed and fitted as one entity. |
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« Reply #1977 on: July 31, 2019, 08:25:47 » |
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Not called GU’s on other classes, as it not all in a combined ‘unit’ that is removed and fitted as one entity.
Is that two STOP button things on the lower front? Or is it a press both to start, and one other to stop? Not the least bit technikul but bus big buttons at the back wot drivers are never allowed to touch (Engineers only) have 2 BIG buttons to play with. One start, one stop. In the real world drivers are often asked to do things with those buttons, even when 'not qualified' and against Union guidance.......... |
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Personal opinion only. Writings not representative of any union, collective, management or employer. (Think that absolves me...........)  |
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IndustryInsider
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« Reply #1978 on: July 31, 2019, 12:50:30 » |
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Drivers often use the 'Local Start' or 'Local Stop' buttons whenever they are fault finding - can't remember any 'Union guidance' to say otherwise, though procedures and methods for all traction is slightly different. On the IETs▸ it is different as you pretty much always need authority to do anything!
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To view my GWML▸ Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/ |
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« Reply #1979 on: July 31, 2019, 13:55:25 » |
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Not called GU’s on other classes, as it not all in a combined ‘unit’ that is removed and fitted as one entity.
Is that two STOP button things on the lower front? Or is it a press both to start, and one other to stop? Not the least bit technikul but bus big buttons at the back wot drivers are never allowed to touch (Engineers only) have 2 BIG buttons to play with. One start, one stop. In the real world drivers are often asked to do things with those buttons, even when 'not qualified' and against Union guidance.......... Those red bits are the kind of plastic covers used to protect round things that have to be connected up when the GU is fitted. They might be pipes for something, but I suspect they are multipole electrical connectors. Incidentally, there are two on the other side. |
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