IETs into passenger service from 16 Oct 2017 and subsequent performance issues

[whole diary]

[bobm]

Whether it is the current operator or a future one, the DfT^» (Department for Transport - about) will still need to be convinced too.

[Incider]

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas^▸ (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER) can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST^▸ (High Speed Train)'s to go is IET^▸ (Intercity Express Train) is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The ability to add a buffet is an "essential requirement" of the IET fleet. I cant however see the present management of GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) having buffets fitted.
They have been trying to do get rid of them for years, and the down grade from proper intercity trains to regional DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) was the perfect opportunity. They have invested a lot of effort into trying to persuade us that no one wants a buffet, and retrofitting a buffet would be an admission of defeat/admission that they were wrong.
I consider it possible that we MIGHT get a buffet in the future, but only under a different TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company), or with some fairly drastic changes to the present management structure.

Maybe, their market research and the financials add up to not needing a buffet?

[mjones]

I've seen two running on diesel between Didcot and Reading today. Is there a problem with the power, or the trains?

[IndustryInsider]

With the trains - from no restrictions a couple of weeks back there are now several.  It makes little difference now, but come the accelerated schedules in December it will.

[bobm]

It does make a difference now.  They don’t arrive early. 

[REVUpminster]

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas^▸ (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER) can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST^▸ (High Speed Train)'s to go is IET^▸ (Intercity Express Train) is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The 17.33 to pgn is now a 9 car 802 from last monday.

[/url]Paddington 1700 27 March 2019 by Robert, on Flickr[/img]

If it is an IET and not a HST why is it sitting up on the Crossrail depot reception roads and not coming out of the Hitachi depot. For some reason the image is there but will not show.

[phile]

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas^▸ (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER) can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST^▸ (High Speed Train)'s to go is IET^▸ (Intercity Express Train) is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The ability to add a buffet is an "essential requirement" of the IET fleet. I cant however see the present management of GWR^▸ (Great Western Railway) having buffets fitted.
They have been trying to do get rid of them for years, and the down grade from proper intercity trains to regional DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) was the perfect opportunity. They have invested a lot of effort into trying to persuade us that no one wants a buffet, and retrofitting a buffet would be an admission of defeat/admission that they were wrong.
I consider it possible that we MIGHT get a buffet in the future, but only under a different TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company), or with some fairly drastic changes to the present management structure.

Maybe, their market research and the financials add up to not needing a buffet?

It seems difficult to find the people who took part in the Market Research and also those in respect of the seats

[broadgage]

The "market research" to prove that buffets were no longer wanted was done AFTER the new DMUs^▸ (Diesel Multiple Unit) had been specified without buffets, so it seems clear what answer was needed.

I cant speak for the seats, but suspect some similar underhand tactics AFTER the ironing board seats had been chosen, to prove that people like them.

[Celestial]

Funny how Virgin (now LNER^» (London North Eastern Railway - about)) came to a different conclusion, yet typical journey times are probably not that different, especially when compared with the south west route.  Isn't it ironic that although we all suspect the DfT^» (Department for Transport - about) was behind the decision, it's the state run LNER which will have buffet cars on its services.

[Ollie]

They certainly need a buffet on the 9 car 802's If the Azumas^▸ (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER) can have one then Hitachi can retro fit one.

One of the last HST^▸ (High Speed Train)'s to go is IET^▸ (Intercity Express Train) is IC91 1733 Paddington - Paignton - Newton Abbot-empty Plymouth-Laira.

It is overtaken by IC92 at Exeter and IC91 becomes the local stopping service to Paignton then back to Newton Abbot with usually only the first coach being used.

When it goes IET I wonder if it will be a 5 car 802 although it might be crowded to Reading and Newbury or will it run only to Exeter and the delayed Devon Metro 150'2 do the local service.

The 17.33 to pgn is now a 9 car 802 from last monday.

[/url]Paddington 1700 27 March 2019 by Robert, on Flickr[/img]

If it is an IET and not a HST why is it sitting up on the Crossrail depot reception roads and not coming out of the Hitachi depot. For some reason the image is there but will not show.

5C91 is a shunt move from Paddington to Paddington via the reception line near Old Oak. Today (well, yesterday now) it was 802102. It's basically a move to get the set out of the way for a bit.

[Timmer]

Going to be cozy on the 1803 to Penzance tonight, just a five carriage job. Doubt there will be a restaurant on this service tonight.

[bobm]

Going to be cozy on the 1803 to Penzance tonight, just a five carriage job. Doubt there will be a restaurant on this service tonight.

Looks like they found another five from somewhere



Being formed of 802018 and 802015.

[Timmer]

Conflicting info on Tiger. CIS^▸ (Customer Information System) showing it down as 5, Staff view as you say down as 10.

[bobm]

Conflicting info on Tiger. CIS^▸ (Customer Information System) showing it down as 5, Staff view as you say down as 10.

Interesting - just looked at Exeter St Davids and the two versions still do not agree.  I am pretty confident it is 10 in reality.  You would think it was all driven from the same database.

[Timmer]

You would think it was all driven from the same database.

You would think so. I would tend to trust the staff view as it has a lot more specific detail on it that would tally up to it being a 10 car train.