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« Reply #1051 on: October 10, 2018, 20:03:50 » |
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According to an article in the latest RAIL magazine, East Coast Azumas▸ are on hold from entering passenger service and GWR▸ 's IETs▸ have to go back to Hitachi for modifications. The latest problem is one of safety. It's been identified that the inter-car connector cables could be used as a ladder to gain access to the train roof. I guess they're pretty robust to stay in place at 125mph. Seems the downside of that is they could support the weight of a Darwin Award contender. https://www.railmagazine.com/news/network/cover-story-azumas-on-hold-orr-suspends-approval-for-lner-ieps-yet-great-western-ieps-remain-in-use |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
"Treat everyone the same until you find out they're an idiot."
"Moral indignation is a technique used to endow the idiot with dignity."
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« Reply #1052 on: October 10, 2018, 20:08:15 » |
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The cables in question - seen on 30th June 2016 when a set reached Paddington for the first time carrying invited dignitaries.  |
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« Reply #1053 on: October 10, 2018, 21:23:00 » |
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Good job none of LNER» ’s existing rolling stock is allocated to move to another franchise. I’m sure there are a few of their current customers who will be relieved that there is likely to be another delay in the introduction of LNER’s IET▸ fleet bearing in mind that the existing fleet has only recently been refurbished.
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« Reply #1054 on: October 10, 2018, 21:44:01 » |
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Those cables have already been used by people train surfing. Obviously the worry is these idiots will come into contact with the OHL▸ or the bus line (the cable above the corridor connection). Presumably they can’t withdraw the GWR IET’s because it would effectively shut down the high speed network. It doesn’t look like an easy problem to solve. |
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JayMac
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« Reply #1055 on: October 10, 2018, 22:11:22 » |
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I think the mainstream media will have a field day if/when they pick up this story. It doesn’t look like an easy problem to solve.
Thick, flexible rubber/composite curtains? Similar to, but necessarily more robust, those that are fitted between cars on some Underground stock. |
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"A clear conscience laughs at a false accusation."
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« Reply #1056 on: October 10, 2018, 23:24:10 » |
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Replace them with Slinkeys the sort that are used for HGV air line connections,plenty of flexibility but no chance of being able to carry weight ,yet when in concertina take up no more space than the existing fitment.
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« Reply #1057 on: October 10, 2018, 23:46:06 » |
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If you were prepared to fit new cables, there are a few options - e.g. lengthen the middle loops, and tie them in place, and tie the second one up to the top one. Or you could go a bit further with tying the loops to he gangway. However, if you want it to look like it was designed to look like that...
Somewhere in those cables there must be the 3 kV DC▸ train bus, at something like 1000 A. You don't want to pull one of those so hard it comes apart ...
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« Reply #1058 on: October 11, 2018, 11:28:07 » |
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I don't understand why, as this has been identified as a serious risk issue warranting non-introduction of the East Coast IET▸ services, its not serious enough to warrant withdrawal of the GWR▸ IETs. The risk, and opportunity, has now been exposed to the idiots who do this type of thing and I'm sure some of them in the GWR territory will 'want to have a go'....
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« Reply #1059 on: October 11, 2018, 11:35:07 » |
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Presumably for the reason a-driver stated - Because the trains are now in squadron service on the GWML▸ and it would cause serious planning issues. Double standards of course!
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« Reply #1060 on: October 11, 2018, 11:40:40 » |
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Presumably for the reason a-driver stated - Because the trains are now in squadron service on the GWML▸ and it would cause serious planning issues. Double standards of course!
...that's my point, exactly, II... |
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« Reply #1061 on: October 11, 2018, 13:20:30 » |
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You couldn't make this stuff up. Will remedies financially cost Hitachi or the taxpayer (via the DfT» )? Will fitting them result in more short forms or cancellations?
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« Reply #1062 on: October 11, 2018, 13:47:55 » |
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I cant foresee Hitachi paying for any "anti Darwin" modifications. They would argue, reasonably that the UK▸ government* accepted and approved the design and Hitachi then supplied this design.
If the UK Government* then want to modify the design due to increasing numbers of persons seeking Darwin Awards, then the UK government* should pay.
I would expect Hitachi to pay to rectify faults, such as the clogged and not accessible radiators even if this means re-design. But I would not expect Hitachi to pay for changing customer requirements.
*UK government should be understood as including all relevant government department and government controlled agencies. Including network rail, ORR» , department for transport, health and safety executive, BTP▸ , etc.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1063 on: October 11, 2018, 13:52:34 » |
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Are there still issues with the electronic reservation system that the 800's? Was on one from Swansea to Paddington over the weekend (that was delayed by almost 2 hours thanks to a broken down freight train, but that is a different issue!) and the reservations weren't on. No comments from the TM‡ about it, and the service was quiet enough that it didn't matter. Just curious.
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« Reply #1064 on: October 11, 2018, 14:05:39 » |
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Just curious.
Still not working as often as they are working! Paper back-ups still usually in place though. |
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