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« Reply #2040 on: August 12, 2023, 14:34:12 » |
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So nothing much can be done ? And we are simply stuck with new shorter trains for about another 20 years.
That will help encourage flying and driving, and sod the climate emergency.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #2041 on: August 12, 2023, 14:41:02 » |
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A lot can be done, but all our taxes will rise in order to pay for it. Would you vote for that?
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« Reply #2042 on: August 12, 2023, 14:50:08 » |
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Would you vote for that?
I’d vote for keeping on topic!  Can this discussion be split off into a new one, or merged with the existing IET▸ thread? |
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« Reply #2043 on: August 12, 2023, 15:06:01 » |
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Was this considered as part of the decision to truncate, and if so what measures were put in place to mitigate any issues arising? I think we would all guess that the answer to this is "no, and none". Someone in DfT» and/or the Treasury thought they could get away with it because the trains could be bi-mode, and I expect that is as far as it went. They probably then waited for the dust to settle and then produced that ridiculous report referred to in the GW▸ Electrification thread on this forum to solemnly tell us that the electrification project had not achieved the desired value for money compared to the original assessment. Of course it did not - a substantial proportion of the project was not delivered but the cost was considerably more than the original estimate for the whole project. |
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« Reply #2044 on: August 13, 2023, 12:07:48 » |
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A lot can be done, but all our taxes will rise in order to pay for it. Would you vote for that?
Why would this have to come out general taxation ? Why should taxpayers have to bail out Hitachi's failed project. We should say VERY FIRMLY to Hitachi "you built them, and you must make them work" Or if they cant make them work reliably, then supply additional or alternative stock in order to provide the agreed number of of trains every day. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #2045 on: August 13, 2023, 12:12:52 » |
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A lot can be done, but all our taxes will rise in order to pay for it. Would you vote for that?
Why would this have to come out general taxation ? Why should taxpayers have to bail out Hitachi's failed project. We should say VERY FIRMLY to Hitachi "you built them, and you must make them work" Or if they cant make them work reliably, then supply additional or alternative stock in order to provide the agreed number of of trains every day. Purely playing devils advocate here. Maybe Hitachi have met their side of the contract, which might have been drawn up badly/loopholes/etc. |
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« Reply #2046 on: August 13, 2023, 12:43:15 » |
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A lot can be done, but all our taxes will rise in order to pay for it. Would you vote for that?
Why would this have to come out general taxation ? Why should taxpayers have to bail out Hitachi's failed project. We should say VERY FIRMLY to Hitachi "you built them, and you must make them work" Or if they cant make them work reliably, then supply additional or alternative stock in order to provide the agreed number of of trains every day. Purely playing devils advocate here. Maybe Hitachi have met their side of the contract, which might have been drawn up badly/loopholes/etc. And of course, Gentlemen, the other options is from increasing fares. So - Ooze gonna pay. Choose: 1. Hitachi 2. The passenger 3. Taxpayers as a whole |
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« Reply #2048 on: August 13, 2023, 15:57:43 » |
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So nothing much can be done ? And we are simply stuck with new shorter trains for about another 20 years.
That will help encourage flying and driving, and sod the climate emergency.
This is your question to which I replied that the taxpayer would pay (for longer trains it seems your wish was for). Hitachi completed the contract as stated - otherwise they *would* be rectifying. |
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« Reply #2049 on: August 13, 2023, 20:22:28 » |
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A great advert for the railway during the tourist season.
Cancellations to services between Penzance and Plymouth
Due to a shortage of train crew between Penzance and Plymouth fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Train services running to and from these stations have been cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Due to a shortage of train crew, our service in Cornwall is severely reduced. The only train currently expected to run is our 'Sleeper' service departing Penzance at 21:15.
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« Reply #2050 on: August 13, 2023, 21:28:40 » |
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Thanks to TG for getting this thread back on track as it were.
Yes the 1915, 20.40 and the 21.28 Penzance to Plymouth trains all canned.
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« Reply #2051 on: August 13, 2023, 21:41:52 » |
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Thanks to TG for getting this thread back on track as it were.
Yes the 1915, 20.40 and the 21.28 Penzance to Plymouth trains all canned.
The 1800 & 1836 Paddington-Plymouth services were both cancelled, & the 1903 started from Reading, so it may be that a lot fewer people make it as far as Plymouth, never mind into Cornwall! 2103 Paddington to Exeter also cancelled. ....and the 2115 (sleeper), the "only service currently expected to run" is still at Penzance due to a fault. Really couldn't make it up. |
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« Reply #2052 on: August 14, 2023, 03:43:39 » |
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Thanks to TG for getting this thread back on track as it were.
Yes the 1915, 20.40 and the 21.28 Penzance to Plymouth trains all canned.
The 1800 & 1836 Paddington-Plymouth services were both cancelled, & the 1903 started from Reading, so it may be that a lot fewer people make it as far as Plymouth, never mind into Cornwall! 2103 Paddington to Exeter also cancelled. ....and the 2115 (sleeper), the "only service currently expected to run" is still at Penzance due to a fault. Really couldn't make it up. Thew sleep was really having a hissy fit last night/today. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L51072/2023-08-13/detailed#allox_id=065 down into Exeter St Davids, then diverted via Yeovil and back up to Castle Cary. 78 down at Castle Cary. The down sleeper wasn't having much luck either 23:50 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:54 Facilities on the 23:50 London Paddington to Penzance due 07:54. This is due to a fault on this train. Will be formed of 9 coaches. Additional Information Due to a train fault we are unable to operate this evenings Sleeper service between London Paddington and Penzance. We have arranged for this service to be operated by one of our regular Intercity Express Trains which will offer a Standard and First Class seating service only. There will be no accommodation facilities. Seems to be many shortform branch DMU▸ 's around Exeter today as well. |
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« Reply #2053 on: August 14, 2023, 06:39:15 » |
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The 1800 & 1836 Paddington-Plymouth services were both cancelled, & the 1903 started from Reading, so it may be that a lot fewer people make it as far as Plymouth, never mind into Cornwall!
Things weren’t much fun for those aboard the 1803 Paddington-Penzance who were travelling beyond Plymouth where their 9 car IET▸ turned into a 2 car 150. Still, better than no train at all I guess. |
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« Reply #2054 on: August 20, 2023, 21:13:30 » |
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Just for the record, as posts about cancellations across the GWR▸ network have appeared on other threads, that there were many cancellations and short running of services the weekend of the 19th and 20th of August.
There was no industrial action or any overtime ban in place and yet it’s been one of worst weekends for cancellations for quite sometime.
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