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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2008, 14:58:37 »

More article links.
http://thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=19989803&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922

http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/news_article.php?section=5&category=169&story=5681

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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2008, 15:08:46 »

Excellent... although when I read the headline I thought they'd put in an order for some 172's! (Chiltern recently ordered a few piggy backing on the existing bulk order) I take it the Welsh will now take the 180's!

as said on a previous thread,

ATW (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC (Train Operating Company))) have said its to much coin for them to take on the 180's

It however doesnt mean that the WAG» (Welsh Assembly Government - about) wont fund the lease on them, but i havnt hear anything about the 180's from down the bay as of yet.
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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2008, 15:23:06 »

Excellent news! At last some good news for FGW (First Great Western)'s long suffering passengers.
And employees! Wink
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2008, 15:34:19 »

Quote from: Don Foster

"The remedial plan which has been agreed with the Government represents a final warning for the company and any breach of this will qualify as a default and the contract will indeed be terminated.

"I welcome the passenger benefits included in this package. But the company must now deliver on these promised improvements. They have a last chance to get it right."


So our R.H MP (Member of Parliament) for Bath and others (MTLS (More Train Less Strain) group and the rest of 'em) says the above but does he/they really know what would happen if First was to lose the GW (Great Western) franchise

1)For a start First own some of the HSTs (High Speed Train). They would use these on their other Franchises or hire them out to the highest bidder so there would be (I think) in the region of 10 power cars & 40 coaches short for the next lot.

2)Premiums payable to government, First overbid for the job of running trains down this part of the world so that would cost a Government who are mad on money. (smaller premiums from a new operator).

3)Firstgroup have invested in trains, depots, stations and staff and will want rightly so recompense for this and any investments not already carried out would be stopped forthwith. All said and done you won't see the sort of investment from the likes of Arriva as they still have 158's with the flea-bitten carpets and seats fitted by Wales & West Railways 10 years ago!


The removal of this franchise from First would cost the tax payer farepayer far more money than leaving it as it is.

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2008, 15:36:46 »

Excellent news! At last some good news for FGW (First Great Western)'s long suffering passengers.
And employees! Wink

The 150/1 drivers get issued with skiing gloves.
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2008, 15:37:44 »


1)For a start First own some of the HSTs (High Speed Train). They would use these on their other Franchises or hire them out to the highest bidder so there would be (I think) in the region of 10 power cars & 40 coaches short for the next lot.


they own 6 full sets
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2008, 15:39:42 »

Excellent news! At last some good news for FGW (First Great Western)'s long suffering passengers.
And employees! Wink

The 150/1 drivers get issued with skiing gloves.
150/1's are far less drafty than 150/2's, as they have no drafty gangway on the end!
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2008, 16:24:12 »

Sense finally prevails...
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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2008, 16:43:18 »

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So our R.H MP (Member of Parliament) for Bath [...]

He's not a member of the Privy Council, so he's just plain MP for Bath.
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2008, 16:53:50 »

You have to give Vacman credit, He said these extra carriages were coming.

DfT» (Department for Transport - about) giving stick to FGW (First Great Western) for it's failures is also great, the main problem with FGW is the service levels and payments for the franchise, which whilst FGW blame the DfT, it's FGW that agreed to such a crazy franchise agreement.
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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2008, 17:46:14 »

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So our R.H MP (Member of Parliament) for Bath [...]

He's not a member of the Privy Council, so he's just plain MP for Bath.

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« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2008, 18:35:29 »

The stock market statement by the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) is available here: http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/passenger/franchises/improveperffgw
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« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2008, 20:27:01 »

Also worth reading the statement made by Ruth Kelly to the House of Commons which goes into much more detail about why a remediel plan notice has been issued:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speechesstatements/statements/wmsfgwfranchise

I have to ask the question had FGW (First Great Western) not been in breach of its franchise (for cancellations) and not hauled up before the transport secretary, would we have seen the ^29 million action plan which includes the extra carriages for the Cardiff-Portsmouth line?
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« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2008, 20:43:17 »

I would sort of say half n half, we know they are already recruiting drivers and guards.
And the additional 150's and keeping 3x 180 has been rumoured for ages.

So maybe lean towards a yes on that. I think Andrew Haines recognises that the franchise is under performing, obviously. I think if anyone can bring it back to standard, he can.
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« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2008, 21:05:34 »

I would sort of say half n half, we know they are already recruiting drivers and guards.
And the additional 150's and keeping 3x 180 has been rumoured for ages.

So maybe lean towards a yes on that. I think Andrew Haines recognises that the franchise is under performing, obviously. I think if anyone can bring it back to standard, he can.
I am in no doubt that he can too. Now FGW (First Great Western) have had their knuckles wrapped by the government, with a bit of humiliation thrown in as well, they can get on and sort things out which has already started. First have put more money in the pot so Andrew Haines has got something to work with. What will also help is the completion of the 'West' fleet refresh later this year with the units that have been done looking pretty good both inside and out.

I don't think that the Cardiff-Portsmouth line has had so much national attention as it has done today but its good that this line is at last getting some investment that it so deserves.
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