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« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2008, 09:25:29 »

Now you've said that Lee - they're probably going in in December!
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« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2008, 11:06:27 »


Thats a Greater Bristol peak, rather than off-peak service, and whatever the view of forum members, I think that trade-off examples like that are always going to be around for us to debate.


My point entirely, those services 'from' Cardiff doing the Greater Bristol eveing peak don't stop at every other fence post, hence I can guarantee (within FGW (First Great Western) standard variables) approx 40 min journey home on ALL XX09 services from Filton. Desk to front door is about an hour in the evenings, 1.20 to get there in the morning, no choice in the matter.

It's not until after 10 in the morning that there's even remotely a quick service, so what's the difference between loadings going TO Bristol as opposed to those going home in the evening that requires every service to have Avoncliff as a request stop.  Huh Huh

A couple of morning peak outer surburban type services to central/north Bristol might actually persuade a few people to abandon the car.
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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2008, 11:14:04 »

The morning peak begins just after when the service starts up - and is spread over a shorter time than the evening peak where you can travel on shoulder-peak services as well, so more trains need to call at more stations in order to move as many passengers as possible in that short time. That's clear if you look at say the morning up peak service from Bournemouth to London (4 services in 2 hours for commuters), compared to the evening down peak service (starts at 1535 now with the splitting services, and ends at 1935 really in experience).
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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2008, 11:40:20 »

BUT, they take approx 1.50 to do the journey irrespective of the number of services, it's the same whether going to or from Waterloo. I can't catch a train that does the same length journey (only 30 miles) that takes the same time in the morning as it does in the evening.

It would be the same as saying ALL services from Bournmouth in the morning peak will take 2.45 and every other one back will be 1.50
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« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2008, 12:24:49 »

The point I'm making is that the peak is spread out in the evenings, so people are more likely to use alternative services as opposed to in the morning peak when there is a much shorter time to transport people between places.

I see your point about it calling at all stations and halts, but looking up Trowbridge to Filton Abbey Wood, there isn't another service for another 25 minutes (0632 from Weymouth being the next one after 0600 from Portsmouth Harbour), and 1F06 acts as a perfectly timed commuter service for Bristol Temple Meads and Filton Abbey Wood.

If another service ran right behind it - my thoughts would be to continue 1F06 calling at Avoncliff, etc, but make it avoid Bristol Temple Meads - or, perhaps make 1C03 call at Oldfield Park and Keynsham additionally. That would make it arrive Bristol Temple Meads about 0849, only 10 minutes after 1F06 does currently.

So the options are ...

OPTION 1 - 1F06 0600 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central to avoid Bristol Temple Meads. 1C03 0700 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads to call additionally at Oldfield Park and Keynsham arriving 4 minutes later.

OPTION 2 - 1F06 0600 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central to not call at Oldfield Park and Keynsham but still call at Bristol Temple Meads. 1C03 calls in replacement. Passengers wanting Filton Abbey Wood at Oldfield Park can get 2E31 0910 Bristol Temple Meads to Bristol Parkway (no idea where it comes from). Not a perfect solution to this one, but certainly a good idea.

OPTION 3 - as 1, except not call Oldfield Park and Keynsham for 1F06. An additional possibility is to perhaps run a spare unit on an additional to Severn Beach via Abbey Wood?
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« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2008, 15:53:38 »

I still dont get why the 06.51 from Pompey stops Avoncliff/Freshford!
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2008, 16:05:51 »

I still dont get why the 06.51 from Pompey stops Avoncliff/Freshford!

I'm sure Lee can probably put his finger on it, but I've a feeling that it was First's way of meeting the minimum frequency set out in the specification, if not could claim they were exceeding it, it would take me a while to look at the spec and compare with current timetabling, there were some oddities.

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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2008, 16:07:17 »

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The point I'm making is that the peak is spread out in the evenings, so people are more likely to use alternative services as opposed to in the morning peak when there is a much shorter time to transport people between places.

No problem with that concept at all if you^ve a 500 seat train starting from Bournemouth AND you start there AND you are not the sole service provider when you get closer to London.

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I see your point about it calling at all stations and halts, but looking up Trowbridge to Filton Abbey Wood, there isn't another service for another 25 minutes (0632 from Weymouth being the next one after 0600 from Portsmouth Harbour), and 1F06 acts as a perfectly timed commuter service for Bristol Temple Meads and Filton Abbey Wood.


1F06 Hahahahaha, regularly shortformed, should be 4 car, people fed up and don^t trust it anymore so have adjusted to doing the following:

0648(TRO» (Trowbridge - next trains)) ^ Salisbury/Gloucester ^ From Trowbridge mainly BTM (Bristol Temple Meads (strictly, it should be BRI)) customers due to the stupid 20 min layover at BTM, as it does get in early fairly frequently you can play roulette to catch a slightly late Exeter/Parkway depending on platform allocation.

0703 ^ Frome/Cardiff ^ This really should be a semi fast, this is the one that would possibly convince West Wilts people to not to drive it it could be made 40 min to N Bristol.

0713 ^ Salisbury/BTM ^ SWT (South West Trains), everyone goes for this for comfort for at least part of the journey, quality that SWT much be making a great deal out of. Never mind the wait at BTM, it^s a hell of a lot better that bl**dy Trowbridge in the winter. Now very full 3 car.

0724 ^ Weymouth/Parkway ^ Do I have to say any more, roulette again, will it/won^t it train.

0744 ^ Warminster/Gt Malvern ^ Just because. Last of the Bristol crowd and the middle of the Bath people. Just takes tooooo long. (Haven^t an old timetable think this was the FIT direct, avoiding BTM at 0738 ish)

0758 ^ (1F06) Portsmouth/Cardiff ^ very late Bristol and last Bath shout, full 4 car at Trowbridge manic as 2, beat them away with a stick a Oldfield. Lucky dip.

0823 ^ Wey/Parkway ^ lucky souls who have some flexibility and the start of days out people, full and standing from Trowbridge, although it was nice as 4 car the other day, all the way to Parkway as well.

0900 ^ Stragglers, and again if running ok don^t stay on for FIT, there^s a train leaving from platform 9 if you are quick enough.

If you would like to recommend timetable changes then please come and join us in the guess the train game.

And apparently Dr Day^s is to slow, don^t ask me why, but you wait in the chord until everyone else is happy, then they let you through. Had quite a few naps sat outside the Rhubarb Tavern (on the train that is).
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2008, 17:51:07 »

You missed out the 08.51 WSB» (Westbury - next trains)-Gloucs. Tongue
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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2008, 18:28:49 »

Anyway, here is the TT I was making a few months ago...

http://southwest-railways.50webs.com/BristolMorningPeak.htm
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« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2008, 18:52:52 »

On retrospect, it prob is not a good idea to axe Filton!  Wink

My axe is lowered.

I just thought they were a few yards apart!!!!! Roll Eyes
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« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2008, 20:07:55 »

On retrospect, it prob is not a good idea to axe Filton!  Wink

My axe is lowered.

I just thought they were a few yards apart!!!!! Roll Eyes

As mentioned before, it's a 25 minute walk.
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« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2008, 21:48:56 »

On retrospect, it prob is not a good idea to axe Filton!  Wink

My axe is lowered.

I just thought they were a few yards apart!!!!! Roll Eyes

As mentioned before, it's a 25 minute walk.

I know. I hope that some quadruple track is installed soon.
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« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2008, 22:40:45 »

On retrospect, it prob is not a good idea to axe Filton!  Wink

My axe is lowered.

I just thought they were a few yards apart!!!!! Roll Eyes

As mentioned before, it's a 25 minute walk.

cant see that happening anytime soon, NR» (Network Rail - home page) thought they'd get some revenue off it, and 2-3 mobile phone masts have sprung up.

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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2008, 02:34:33 »

And apparently Dr Day^s is to slow, don^t ask me why, but you wait in the chord until everyone else is happy, then they let you through. Had quite a few naps sat outside the Rhubarb Tavern (on the train that is).

You have to wait for a path, pretty difficult out of Dr Days Jn and Rhubarb Curve as you cross a few running lines. Not impossible though. "Too slow" isn't really a valid excuse if that's what FGW (First Great Western) have been putting out!!  Shocked
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