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« on: May 06, 2017, 20:14:54 »

Going through loads of old papers, I found some timetables that are about 30 years old.

Before you click on the link, ask yourself how many Paddington services you think Bedwyn, Pewsey and Westbury had each day.   Then take a look at the timetable ...

http://atrebatia.info/bandh1983to4.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 23:52:30 »

A great example of how steady incremental increases over the years have massively improved frequencies.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2017, 00:57:31 »

Agreed.

But back in the early 1980s, was there perhaps less of an expectation that anyone working in London would also choose to live in Pewsey - just for example?

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2017, 13:08:56 »

It's often the Sunday services that show best how travelling habits have driver service frequency improvements, such as the 8-fold increase in trains serving Hungerford in this example.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2017, 14:45:18 »

But back in the early 1980s, was there perhaps less of an expectation that anyone working in London would also choose to live in Pewsey - just for example?

The service was certainly "London facing" in those days - trains left (all to Paddington) at 07:04, 08:29, 09:59 and 19:14, return trains arriving at 11:39, 17:39, 19:04 and 19:39 ... those are Monday to Friday. A sprinkling of others running 1 dy per week.

Logic suggests commuting to Reading, or a more genteel working day in London.  An extra train Monday morning only to London, and Friday evening only from London, suggest weekly commuters.  Interesting that extra trains ran via the Berks and Hants on Friday evening, isn't it?    Can't imagine there would be any call for that these days  Wink
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2017, 16:24:19 »

For comparison, this is 1965.

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2017, 17:22:08 »

For comparison, this is 1965.

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Can't help wondering how on earth they expected the Lavington service to attract passengers ...
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2017, 18:27:54 »

Maybe someone important in those days lived in or near Lavington?  Roll Eyes Grin
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2017, 19:46:04 »

I wonder why Bedwyn was chosen as a terminus even back in the 1960s for some services from Reading.  There really isn't much of note between Hungerford (except maybe Pewsey) and Westbury so it seems an odd place to turn back rather than either running on to Pewsey (which would have removed the need for intercity services to call there) or turning back at Hungerford (which would have then required intercity services to also call at Bedwyn).  I wonder if it was chosen simply for operational convenience.
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2017, 19:49:40 »

I wonder why Bedwyn was chosen as a terminus even back in the 1960s for some services from Reading.  There really isn't much of note between Hungerford (except maybe Pewsey) and Westbury so it seems an odd place to turn back rather than either running on to Pewsey (which would have removed the need for intercity services to call there) or turning back at Hungerford (which would have then required intercity services to also call at Bedwyn).  I wonder if it was chosen simply for operational convenience.
I think Bedwyn was possibly chosen as the Up Siding was converted to a Bay Platform.  Nowhere at Hungerford for trains to wait other than in the sidings.
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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2017, 19:58:05 »

Here's an older timetable ...

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2017, 20:18:36 »

Oh, for the days when there were trains stopping at Seend, Holt and Limpley Stoke ...  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2017, 20:35:02 »

Oh, for the days when there were trains stopping at Seend, Holt and Limpley Stoke ...  Roll Eyes

Bathampton too - perfect for a park and ride
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2017, 20:43:23 »

Well, yes - but I was trying not to get too involved in current re-opening issues - or indeed going even further off-topic from the Kennet Valley.  Roll Eyes Wink Grin

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2017, 10:13:39 »

Oh, for the days when there were trains stopping at Seend, Holt and Limpley Stoke ...  Roll Eyes


I've used Limpley Stoke, it's not that ancient!  Shocked
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