150s

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[r james]

Has anyone got any more info about this 150 movement from ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company)))??  Seems absolutely crazy to me, when ATW need these trains for their newly introduced services. 

Surely ATW would be best to give some 158s up, which is the type of stock FGW^▸ (First Great Western) really need, and ATW wont require so much if they get the 180s.

Is the movement to be a permanent one?

[Shazz]

Has anyone got any more info about this 150 movement from ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company)))??  Seems absolutely crazy to me, when ATW need these trains for their newly introduced services. 

Surely ATW would be best to give some 158s up, which is the type of stock FGW^▸ (First Great Western) really need, and ATW wont require so much if they get the 180s.

Is the movement to be a permanent one?

IIRC^▸ (if I recall/remember/read correctly), all of the 158's are in traffic on long distance north > south services. (which 150's cant feasbly operate) most of them are being upgraded/refurb'd for the new signals trials on the cambrian line, before that get rolled out across the country.

So i'm farely sure these units arn't going ANYWHERE.

Also, nothings been confirmed by either parties. Until it get signed, sealed and announced. It's still only speculation.

[tramway]

Hi and welcome to the forum, I can^t answer your question directly but I^m sure someone in a better position will be along shortly. In the meantime there are probably a few threads here that may very well answer your question re stock allocation to different TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company)^s, have a browse around.

But bear in mind that if the train stops in front of you at the time advertised with the same stock you travelled on yesterday and arrives at the your destination at the advertised time, then in all probability you are not in the FGW^▸ (First Great Western) area, and in all likelihood not in the UK^▸ (United Kingdom).

[devon_metro]

I'd say they are giving us more stock, perhaps as they are spare or otherwise in fairness as ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) probably run far more 4 car trains than FGW^▸ (First Great Western) do!

[r james]

I'd say they are giving us more stock, perhaps as they are spare or otherwise in fairness as ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) probably run far more 4 car trains than FGW^▸ (First Great Western) do!

Even if ATW do operate more stock as 4 car trains, thats hardly their fault that FGW didn't get things sorted first.  I fail to see how its fair that a TOC should pay for a refurb, then lose its stock weeks after. 

[devon_metro]

ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) refurb consisted of new seat covers and new marker lights along with a grotty livery.

Anyhow, theres still about 6 ex wessex ones.

I don't think its fair how we should be rammed into a carriage at the expense of Wales who have plenty of stock!

[r james]

ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) refurb consisted of new seat covers and new marker lights along with a grotty livery.

Anyhow, theres still about 6 ex wessex ones.

I don't think its fair how we should be rammed into a carriage at the expense of Wales who have plenty of stock!

I do understand the point you make, but why allow the stock to go to ATW in the first place,for this to happen?? 

I hope ATW keep the 3+2 seating units, as these extra seats will be much required! 
The ex wessex 150s have all received a new livery with ATW as far as I am aware, and have started to receive new seat covers. 

[Shazz]

ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) refurb consisted of new seat covers and new marker lights along with a grotty livery.

Anyhow, theres still about 6 ex wessex ones.

I don't think its fair how we should be rammed into a carriage at the expense of Wales who have plenty of stock!

Yes, but they're trying to run the railway for an entire country on just over the stock FGW^▸ (First Great Western) have for a region.

I still don't think it's going to happen. As ATW are about to depoly the stock onto the valleys as iirc that platform lenghtening is now complete so they can do 6 cars instead of 4. (You think you get overcrowding in bristol, go try a peak valley line service...)

Go ask Northern for some stock, i'm sure they have plenty doing nothing out of there 281 Units (yes you read that correctly)

Why should wales suffer for firsts f**k up? It shouldnt. First have more money than they know what to do with, go order some new stock for gods sake!

[BRADNOCK]

I agree with Shazz And Rjames 87 I use ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) more than FGW^▸ (First Great Western) We only have two FGW trains (I live in Kidwelly West Walesa) a one each way weekdays  So I have to use ATW before I can get any were near Cardiff  and its not very often ATW are late  they usually turn  and you can get a seat.  So because I have to go to Weymouth quit a lot its usaly then when the fun starts Cardiff Portsmouth or Parkway Weymouth I hope that ATW hang on to all their  stock if it ain't broken then don't fix it. I  used to like the journey from Southampton to Weymouth then some clown took the 442's  off some improvement.

[John R]

ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) refurb consisted of new seat covers and new marker lights along with a grotty livery.

Anyhow, theres still about 6 ex wessex ones.

I don't think its fair how we should be rammed into a carriage at the expense of Wales who have plenty of stock!

But if the WAG^» (Welsh Assembly Government - about) has paid for the lease of the trains, then they not unreasonably expect them to run on ATW services. The problem is the contrast between one quasi government which sees the benefit in railways and sees overcrowding as unacceptable, and another which takes the contrary view.

[Shazz]

ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) refurb consisted of new seat covers and new marker lights along with a grotty livery.

Anyhow, theres still about 6 ex wessex ones.

I don't think its fair how we should be rammed into a carriage at the expense of Wales who have plenty of stock!

But if the WAG^» (Welsh Assembly Government - about) has paid for the lease of the trains, then they not unreasonably expect them to run on ATW services. The problem is the contrast between one quasi government which sees the benefit in railways and sees overcrowding as unacceptable, and another which takes the contrary view.

iirc, the WAG funded these new trains from Midlands

[r james]

Exactly, which is why I really dont understand the move!

[Jez]

But the Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly service which goes via Carmarthen, Cardiff, Hereford, Shrewsbury and Crewe, is 90% of the time a 175.  Also the Cardiff to North Wales service, and Manchester to North Wales services are 175's most of the time too.

I hardly ever see ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) running 158's these days - its always 175 or 150's mainly.  The Maesteg to Cheltenham Spa service is about the only service that uses 158's regularly as I think Ebbw Vale and Vale of Glamorgan lines are 150's and most valley lines are either 143 or 150.

[Btline]

The Cambrian Lines are 158s solely (unless this has changed in the last few months!).

[Shazz]

But the Milford Haven to Manchester Piccadilly service which goes via Carmarthen, Cardiff, Hereford, Shrewsbury and Crewe, is 90% of the time a 175.  Also the Cardiff to North Wales service, and Manchester to North Wales services are 175's most of the time too.

Almost all of the trains to Holyhead are 158's and as thats a train every 2 hours, so thats easily eating 50% of the 158's ATW^▸ (Arriva Trains Wales (former TOC^▸ (Train Operating Company))) have