Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 15:15 20 Apr 2025
 
* RAF jets intercept Russian aircraft near Nato airspace
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 10/05/25 - BRTA Westbury
10/05/25 - Model Railsay Show, Calne
13/05/25 - Melksham TUG / AGM
14/05/25 - West Wiltshire RUG

On this day
20th Apr (1789)
Opening of Sapperton Canal Tunnel

Train RunningCancelled
15:29 Swindon to Cheltenham Spa
15:40 Plymouth to Penzance
17:00 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington
17:16 Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach
17:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
17:37 London Paddington to Swansea
17:48 Bristol Temple Meads to Weymouth
18:00 Cardiff Central to Taunton
18:01 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads
18:15 Penzance to Plymouth
18:35 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads
19:43 Swindon to Westbury
20:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington
20:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
20:11 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads
20:17 Taunton to Bristol Temple Meads
21:39 Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester
22:45 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway
Short Run
10:50 Penzance to Cardiff Central
10:55 Cardiff Central to Penzance
11:50 Penzance to Cardiff Central
12:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
12:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
13:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance
13:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
13:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
13:50 Penzance to Cardiff Central
14:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance
14:07 London Paddington to Cardiff Central
14:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
14:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
15:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance
15:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
15:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
15:42 Exeter St Davids to Cardiff Central
16:00 Cardiff Central to Taunton
16:18 Penzance to London Paddington
16:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
16:36 Cardiff Central to London Paddington
17:00 Cardiff Central to Taunton
17:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
17:40 Cardiff Central to Westbury
18:00 London Paddington to Penzance
18:11 Castle Cary to Swindon
19:39 Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Shrub Hill
20:30 London Paddington to Weston-Super-Mare
20:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
21:57 Worcester Shrub Hill to Bristol Temple Meads
Delayed
12:37 London Paddington to Swansea
13:37 London Paddington to Carmarthen
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
April 20, 2025, 15:21:02 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[189] Fortuitous connections ... and an App which fails to offer the...
[112] RNLI station celebrates 10 years of saving lives - Portishead,...
[58] FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
[57] St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incide...
[47] More than half of train travellers now use the railway for lei...
[44] Eyesight rules for motorists unsafe, says coroner
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: 1 [2]
  Print  
Author Topic: Are the UKs railways falling apart?  (Read 8019 times)
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 43856



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2016, 20:15:32 »

And we've just waited at Norton Junction while the GWR (Great Western Railway) train from Warminster to Great Malvern, which would have been a useful connection, is sent in front of us.


I'm not familiar with the layout at Shrub Hill. Would the Great Malvern train have been able to get past if your train had gone in first?
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, TravelWatch SouthWest Board Member
SandTEngineer
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 3485


View Profile
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2016, 20:23:45 »

And we've just waited at Norton Junction while the GWR (Great Western Railway) train from Warminster to Great Malvern, which would have been a useful connection, is sent in front of us.


I'm not familiar with the layout at Shrub Hill. Would the Great Malvern train have been able to get past if your train had gone in first?
No. But there is the option to share the platform (its divided by a 'mid-platform' signal) so the Malvern train could have been held in the front part and the Foregate Street train accepted in the rear part.
Logged
John R
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 4416


View Profile
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2016, 20:42:24 »

To be fair, the next train to Hereford was due only 10 mins after the service from London arrived, so the delay wasn't that excessive.
Logged
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 43856



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2016, 05:05:32 »

And we've just waited at Norton Junction while the GWR (Great Western Railway) train from Warminster to Great Malvern, which would have been a useful connection, is sent in front of us.


I'm not familiar with the layout at Shrub Hill. Would the Great Malvern train have been able to get past if your train had gone in first?
No. But there is the option to share the platform (its divided by a 'mid-platform' signal) so the Malvern train could have been held in the front part and the Foregate Street train accepted in the rear part.

Excellent diagram showing Worcester layout at http://www.roscalen.com/signals/Worcester/
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, TravelWatch SouthWest Board Member
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10450


View Profile
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2016, 09:56:57 »

If ever there was a layout that was not fit for the modern railway, then just take a look at that layout at Worcester!  The map is slightly out of date now, as the cattle/milk dock platforms alongside Platform 1 are now lifted, and the siding at Henwick is no longer connected to the main lines, though I think there are still plans to alter the layout and provide a turnback siding there for the new IET (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) services.  Minor alterations at Shrub Hill will also be required to accommodate 10-car IET's, assuming they're not going to use SDO (Selective Door Opening) which would limit the efficiency of the layout even more.

As for the mass of sidings and freight lines north of the platforms - the less said about their usefulness these days the better!  Rip it up and start again.  Though lack of money and architectural importance of the station buildings make that unlikely!
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
Worcester_Passenger
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2113


View Profile
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2016, 09:59:20 »

And we've just waited at Norton Junction while the GWR (Great Western Railway) train from Warminster to Great Malvern, which would have been a useful connection, is sent in front of us.


I'm not familiar with the layout at Shrub Hill. Would the Great Malvern train have been able to get past if your train had gone in first?
No. But there is the option to share the platform (its divided by a 'mid-platform' signal) so the Malvern train could have been held in the front part and the Foregate Street train accepted in the rear part.

Indeed so. The Warminster - Great Malvern is operated by GWR, and would be on the same platform, whereas the 10-minutes-later Birmingham - Hereford is operated by London Midland and goes from the other platform, over the bridge. Personally I'd've thought that holding the GWR train would have given the delayed passengers the impression that GWR cared about them.

Alas, not the case.
Logged
Worcester_Passenger
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 2113


View Profile
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2016, 10:28:43 »

If ever there was a layout that was not fit for the modern railway, then just take a look at that layout at Worcester!  The map is slightly out of date now, as the cattle/milk dock platforms alongside Platform 1 are now lifted, and the siding at Henwick is no longer connected to the main lines, though I think there are still plans to alter the layout and provide a turnback siding there for the new IET (Intercity Express Train - replacement for HSTs (manufactured by Hitachi in Kobe, Japan)) services.  Minor alterations at Shrub Hill will also be required to accommodate 10-car IET's, assuming they're not going to use SDO (Selective Door Opening) which would limit the efficiency of the layout even more.

As for the mass of sidings and freight lines north of the platforms - the less said about their usefulness these days the better!  Rip it up and start again.  Though lack of money and architectural importance of the station buildings make that unlikely!

Please don't get me started on Shrub Hill, though I suppose that it is an example of how the railways are falling apart. The maintenance of the buildings is non-existent. Most useful thing would be another visit from the Queen - the place got painted last time she came (a long time ago).

The "architectural importance" of the buildings isn't all that great, though it would be enormously improved by demolishing the dreadful 1960s office block in front of the station.

The car parking is minimal (and extortionate) and what there is is all on the west side of the station. It'd be sensible to have a car park on the east side of the station, probably on the (largely unused) freight lines.

The City Council missed a trick when the Warndon Villages housing was put in - they should have insisted that the developers paid for the rebuilding of the Newtown Road underbridge at the south end of the station. It's a single lane with traffic lights.



Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: 1 [2]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules via admin@railcustomer.info. Full legal statement (here).

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page