Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 12:35 20 Apr 2025
 
- Oldest serving US astronaut returns to Earth on 70th birthday
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 10/05/25 - BRTA Westbury
10/05/25 - Model Railsay Show, Calne
13/05/25 - Melksham TUG / AGM
14/05/25 - West Wiltshire RUG

On this day
20th Apr (1789)
Opening of Sapperton Canal Tunnel

Train RunningCancelled
10:36 Paignton to London Paddington
10:49 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington
11:19 Swansea to London Paddington
12:30 Swindon to Cheltenham Spa
13:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
14:00 Cheltenham Spa to Swindon
15:29 Swindon to Cheltenham Spa
15:40 Plymouth to Penzance
17:00 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington
17:09 Weston-Super-Mare to Severn Beach
17:16 Bristol Temple Meads to Severn Beach
17:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
17:37 London Paddington to Swansea
17:48 Bristol Temple Meads to Weymouth
18:00 Cardiff Central to Taunton
18:01 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads
18:15 Penzance to Plymouth
18:35 Severn Beach to Bristol Temple Meads
19:43 Swindon to Westbury
20:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington
20:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
20:11 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads
20:17 Taunton to Bristol Temple Meads
21:39 Bristol Temple Meads to Gloucester
22:45 London Paddington to Bristol Parkway
23:12 Bristol Temple Meads to Weston-Super-Mare
23:49 Weston-Super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads
Short Run
08:15 Penzance to London Paddington
08:47 Penzance to Cardiff Central
09:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
09:45 Plymouth to Cardiff Central
10:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
10:50 Penzance to Cardiff Central
10:55 Cardiff Central to Penzance
11:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
11:41 Swindon to Weymouth
11:50 Penzance to Cardiff Central
11:57 Cardiff Central to Exeter St Davids
12:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
12:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
12:34 Exeter Central to Okehampton
13:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance
13:16 Taunton to Cardiff Central
13:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
14:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance
14:09 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
14:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
15:00 Cardiff Central to Penzance
15:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
15:35 Severn Beach to Weston-Super-Mare
16:00 Cardiff Central to Taunton
16:18 Penzance to London Paddington
16:25 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
18:00 London Paddington to Penzance
18:11 Castle Cary to Swindon
19:39 Bristol Temple Meads to Worcester Shrub Hill
20:30 London Paddington to Weston-Super-Mare
20:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
21:57 Worcester Shrub Hill to Bristol Temple Meads
Delayed
12:37 London Paddington to Swansea
etc
PollsThere are no open or recent polls
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
April 20, 2025, 12:40:05 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[189] Fortuitous connections ... and an App which fails to offer the...
[112] RNLI station celebrates 10 years of saving lives - Portishead,...
[58] FOSS and FOSW validity - some quirks
[57] St Erth station - facilities, footbridge, improvements, incide...
[47] More than half of train travellers now use the railway for lei...
[44] Eyesight rules for motorists unsafe, says coroner
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Car towed off railway tracks after woman drives on to line at Crawley level crossing  (Read 3837 times)
chrisr_75
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1019


View Profile
« on: November 23, 2016, 12:41:39 »


Just spotted this on another (non-rail related) forum:

Lucky person indeed, a few feet towards her left and it literally would've sparked a call to the police!

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14922359.Car_towed_off_railway_tracks_after_woman_drives_on_to_line_at_level_crossing/?ref=mrb&lp=1#

Quote
A WOMAN drove a car on to train tracks, sparking a call for police and railway engineers last night.

The silver Vauxhall hatchback, driven by a 60-year-old woman, ended up on the line at a level crossing in Crawley High Street.

Emergency services were called at 7.10pm.

Network Rail controllers were called to turn the power off and trains were stopped.

Chris Denham of Network Rail said: "It drove a short distance on to the track and we had to turn the power off and stop all trains...
Logged
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 13328


View Profile Email
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2016, 12:43:17 »

Unfortunately, that's when one ought to give up driving....
Logged
LiskeardRich
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 3563

richardwarwicker@hotmail.co.uk
View Profile
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2016, 17:44:18 »

Was there another incident to the photos? The article mentions a Vauxhall, the photos show a Toyota!

Or instead of irrelevant photos we have irrelevant descriptions
Logged

All posts are my own personal believes, opinions and understandings!
dviner
Full Member
***
Posts: 82


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2016, 17:48:45 »

Was there another incident to the photos? The article mentions a Vauxhall, the photos show a Toyota!

Or instead of irrelevant photos we have irrelevant descriptions

Should we be worried that it happens often enough that the wrong photo can be used?
Logged
onthecushions
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 978


View Profile
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2016, 18:04:23 »


Should we be worried that it happens often enough that the wrong photo can be used?

It does not seem to be an isolated case.

The crossing and the next junction share the same (road) hatched box junction. One wonders whether drivers are therefore mis-reading their position and turning early into a darkened (railway) opening, before they realise their mistake. There are now no white gates with red triangles. Perhaps LC (Level Crossing)'s need a specific warning road marking.

Train drivers make a similar, if opposite mistake when able to see successive signals; called "reading through". The nearer red doesn't register if the next one is green or yellow, until they see why the signal was red...

OTC

Logged
paul7575
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 5346


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2016, 18:56:45 »

There was one of these at Brockenhurst a few years back, where a woman turned right onto the line rather than the road just before the crossing.  IIRC ('if I recall/remember/read correctly') the car ended up on the points where the up loop and up main line come together, somewhere about half way between the island platform and the level crossing, it was quite amazing that the car didn't contact the third rail really.

Paul
Logged
JayMac
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 19304



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2016, 20:54:15 »

Would a car coming into contact with third rail result in electric shock to occupants? Cars are pretty good Faraday cages.
Logged

"Good news for regular users of Euston Station in London! One day they will die. Then they won't have to go to Euston Station ever again." - David Mitchell
phile
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1382

Language spoken Welsh as well as English


View Profile Email
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2016, 21:15:00 »

There was one of these at Brockenhurst a few years back, where a woman turned right onto the line rather than the road just before the crossing.  IIRC ('if I recall/remember/read correctly') the car ended up on the points where the up loop and up main line come together, somewhere about half way between the island platform and the level crossing, it was quite amazing that the car didn't contact the third rail really.

Paul

Was that the one where the woman blamed Satnav rather than her own stupidity
Logged
stuving
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7425


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2016, 23:00:47 »

Would a car coming into contact with third rail result in electric shock to occupants? Cars are pretty good Faraday cages.

A few years ago I'd have said there's no problem. Whatever touches the third rail would be continuously connected to the body and all the mechanical bits. However, there's now so many plastic bits in the body and in the mechanics too that the answer isn't so obvious.

So could the steering shaft be insulated for the body but connected to steering linkage parts also not well earthed? Maybe. I'd be surprised if it's in the product safety standards for cars.

PS: But then there would be problem with static generated by the tyres - so on balance at least parts round the wheels need to be earthed to the body.
Logged
LiskeardRich
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 3563

richardwarwicker@hotmail.co.uk
View Profile
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2016, 11:05:25 »

Would a car coming into contact with third rail result in electric shock to occupants? Cars are pretty good Faraday cages.

A few years ago I'd have said there's no problem. Whatever touches the third rail would be continuously connected to the body and all the mechanical bits. However, there's now so many plastic bits in the body and in the mechanics too that the answer isn't so obvious.

So could the steering shaft be insulated for the body but connected to steering linkage parts also not well earthed? Maybe. I'd be surprised if it's in the product safety standards for cars.

PS: But then there would be problem with static generated by the tyres - so on balance at least parts round the wheels need to be earthed to the body.

Top gear did a test using 800,000w electricity to simulate lightening, maybe a similar scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA
Logged

All posts are my own personal believes, opinions and understandings!
stuving
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7425


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2016, 12:16:32 »

Top gear did a test using 800,000w electricity to simulate lightening, maybe a similar scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve6XGKZxYxA

The volts serve to create the arc (though for lightning it's a bit more complicated than that), what matters in your car is the current that flows through the body. For typical lightning strikes here that's 5000-10000 Amps. That sounds high, but domestic mains is designed for a fault current level (think short-circuit) of 3000A. OHLE (Over-Head Line Equipment (electrification via catenary)) is now 6000A, I think.

There's a second stage, though. That current, flowing via the resistance of the car body (or whatever else lies between it and earth, or any two points within reach) creates a voltage (touch potential) and that needs to be low enough not to harm you (say 50V). It's not an exact science though.

Steel body shells ought to be OK, and but if you reach up to the top of a pillar and hold something else lower down you might be in trouble with a big arc/strike. But that's not very easy, as the surfaces are mostly insulating, at lowish voltages.

Old-fashioned fibreglass is, of course, no use at all. Carbon fibres do conduct, but over long distances only lengthwise. Composites vary a lot, depending on how the fibres are laid up. Making connections to them is tricky (even making sound fixing hard-points takes care). Aircraft composites have metal foils and coating applied, and go through some pretty thorough testing. they don't always survive entirely unscathed, but damage is superficial and not a threat. Car makers could exploit that knowledge, but I'm not sure if even Elon Musk has.
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules via admin@railcustomer.info. Full legal statement (here).

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page