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Author Topic: Slippery rails, flooding, landslips and other issues - November 2016 (merged topic)  (Read 48639 times)
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« Reply #60 on: November 21, 2016, 21:34:08 »

Update 2100.

Said buses were not yet available. bignosemac, knowing how these things pan out, spoke with an XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) TM(resolve) and got a taxi docket for Taunton.

My ETA at Taunton should have been 1714. I left Stroud (agreeable lunch and gin or 3 with bobm) at 1514. I will now be around 4.5 hours late into Taunton. I have no qualms about blagging a taxi ahead of those who were shepherded onto buses. Y

I guess getting a taxi might be regarded as slightly fortuitous, given that three services left Temple Meads for Taunton after you arrived at the station, the earliest which would have got you into Taunton at around 2020?  And it's not as though you were comfortably ensconced on the XC train all along, as you were on Platform 4 about 10 mins before the first of those GW (Great Western) trains departed from there just 1 minute late.  So I'd say you passed up several opportunities for the railway to get you back after admittedly a very long and delayed journey from Swindon. Still, I hope you get to your destination without any further delay.
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« Reply #61 on: November 21, 2016, 22:23:17 »

This is the scene at Taunton at 2155, still no buses, customers waiting in pouring rain.
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« Reply #62 on: November 21, 2016, 22:48:41 »

Update 2100.

Said buses were not yet available. bignosemac, knowing how these things pan out, spoke with an XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) TM(resolve) and got a taxi docket for Taunton.

My ETA at Taunton should have been 1714. I left Stroud (agreeable lunch and gin or 3 with bobm) at 1514. I will now be around 4.5 hours late into Taunton. I have no qualms about blagging a taxi ahead of those who were shepherded onto buses. Y

I guess getting a taxi might be regarded as slightly fortuitous, given that three services left Temple Meads for Taunton after you arrived at the station, the earliest which would have got you into Taunton at around 2020?  And it's not as though you were comfortably ensconced on the XC train all along, as you were on Platform 4 about 10 mins before the first of those GW (Great Western) trains departed from there just 1 minute late.  So I'd say you passed up several opportunities for the railway to get you back after admittedly a very long and delayed journey from Swindon. Still, I hope you get to your destination without any further delay.

I did indeed pass up other services. First decision was to get on the 1744 XC as it was due to depart around 45 late possibly ahead of the next stopper. Only on boarding did l learn there was no driver. Do I run back for the stopper? Ichose not to. Hindsight tells me I should have. Subsequent departures were also possible. But at every point in the two hours I was sat on the XC there were pointers to suggest we may leave at any moment. My own knowledge added to what I was being told by XC staff on the train and GWR (Great Western Railway) dispatchers at BRI» (Bristol Temple Meads - next trains). The situation at Uphill (flooding) was ever changing. The first unit through reported it being borderline passable. Line was briefly closed again. I know trains got through but XC weren't sending anything west - likely for reasons to do with stock and staff displacement ahead of Customer Service reasons.

Yes, I agree I could have made better decisions. But only in hindsight. Last decision to ask for taxi worked out. However I would have accepted a "no" with good grace and joined the queue for buses.
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« Reply #63 on: November 21, 2016, 22:52:19 »

BNM I think you did the right thing in the circumstances by jumping in a cab........message now on GWR (Great Western Railway) twitter feed....."we are unable to guarantee to get customers to their destinations".
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« Reply #64 on: November 21, 2016, 22:52:52 »

Seen on Facebook now, was going to ask which one you are on!

The Voyagers pictured were the 1844 and 1944, on P11 and P12. I was on the 1744 on P8.
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« Reply #65 on: November 21, 2016, 23:10:12 »

Tomorrow could be fun, with trains out of position.
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« Reply #66 on: November 21, 2016, 23:12:26 »

Looking at some of the horrendous delays this afternoon for trains running via the Badminton line makes me question the decision to continue to try and run trains via that route.  Delays of up to 2 hours for some unlucky passengers.  For South Wales trains, surely the better option would have been to run via Gloucester (as some services were doing).  Even for diverted Temple Meads trains it might have been faster to run up to Gloucester and back down.

Going forward, surely a turnback facility at Standish would be useful? I know some will say that it is very rare for there to be problems on both lines via Badminton and Box, but the causes are correlated, so not completely unexpected. A relatively small step which would improve resilience and probably prove it's worth a couple of times a year.  
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« Reply #67 on: November 21, 2016, 23:25:47 »

A young friend of mine (actually, one of the musicians who performed on the Folk Train on the Trans Wilts line a few Christmas's ago) has been regaling friends online with her attempted train journey from Chichester through Bristol and back down home to beyond Truro this afternoon, this evening and now tonight. The latest is that she's been stuck in car park in Taunton for the past three hours waiting for a promised rail replacement bus heading south. The only money she has on her is the anticipated cab fare home for when she eventually arrives in Truro. People apparently started a singalong to keep themselves warm while they hung around the car park and have been given free coffee, except it then transpired there is nowhere to wee. So now they are cold and uncomfortable and still a long, long way from home (oh, and her phone battery is running out....)
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« Reply #68 on: November 21, 2016, 23:33:59 »

I've heard from friends here in Taunton that cabbies on the town side rank were providing far better info to those waiting for buses than any (in fairness just 3 on duty) GWR (Great Western Railway) staff.

I've heard that at least 4 cabbies offered free local rides. I'm also told that access to a toilet was arranged by the cabbies.
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« Reply #69 on: November 21, 2016, 23:37:28 »

They said anyone travelling yesterday could travel today....has today now become tomorrow for those tickets?
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« Reply #70 on: November 21, 2016, 23:39:40 »

If there are three Great Western Railway staff on duty at Taunton Station, why are the station toilets not open for use by delayed passengers?
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« Reply #71 on: November 22, 2016, 00:32:54 »

A young friend of mine has been regaling friends online with her attempted train journey from Chichester through Bristol and back down home to beyond Truro this afternoon, this evening and now tonight. ....

I'm watching (from afar, though here in LA they had their first rains for six months last night and it tipped it down) and able to look a little detached.

On one hand, for every cancelled or seriously delayed train there are dozens of individual stories being written and people having very real disruption, and the very real upset of now knowing what's going on and / or being told something which turns out to be not exactly right (ranging from the over-optimistic to the downright wrong).

On a second hand you have the very real issues of the operational staff doing there best to keep the systems running and to make decisions in a changing situation based on what may be incomplete information, possibilities and probabilities that may sometimes mean hindsight would have been wonderful and lead them another way

And on the third had you have the customer facing staff with minimal true operational elements in their work who are doing their best in many cases to inform but, frankly in some cases, really hate the job when they've got to deal with angry and demanding (sometimes rightly, sometimes wrongly) passengers.

I've just written that to help clarify my thoughts and see all the sides of the picture.   The "solution" doesn't come on the day / evening that this is happening - it comes in the planning and the systems.

* In getting the network databases right so passengers don't get told to catch a bus that's a three mile walk away

* In getting the engineering and warning systems right so that closures and semi-closures are minimised, and problems alerted before trains get sent out and stuck.   The 13:55 Cardiff to Paddington left Bristol Parkway 15 minutes late, and Swindon 264 minutes late (due 14:59, actual 19:23) and I really wonder at such a delay

* In having customer facing staff being ever more customer aware. It may not be as simple as it sounds but - really - station loos should be open if there are multiple staff around, and staff should take far more the "my job's really important to help today and I'm proud of what I do" rather than "I'm dreading my shift"

It WAS exceptionally bad ... Blockage on the B&H (Berks and Hants - railway line from Reading to Taunton via Westbury) at Urchfont, near-blockage at Melksham (I presume that was the culvert that we were told had been fixed?), at Corsham, and at Sodden Chipbury left only one single track thread connecting Paddington to Bristol and the West Country - and that in danger of being closed.   Then other pieced of the Jigsaw - west of Westbury and west of Bristol - knocked out too.

I suspect that information system corrections, an ethos that makes team members proud to help as best they can, and an honesty that says "we don't know at the moment, but will get back to you within half an hour, even if that's to tell you we still don't know" would go down wonders.   Looking across at the world of flying, there's one particular airline I use.  They get delayed like others - but the difference is that they give a slightly longer, more technical explanation of what's going on and make their passengers feel like "we're all in this together".

Talking the "we're all in this together" ... I wonder if there's a case on community rail lines / services to have one or two key volunteers who'll go down to more major unstaffed stations at times of disruption and explain what's going on, who to call, perhaps co-ordinate taxis and generally say keep people informed.  Away from forum messages, I've had - again - feedback today that tells me that outright wrong information's been dished out from call centres remote from the issues - probably resulting in extra expense for GWR (Great Western Railway) and certainly in some very, very bad customer stories that are totally unnecessary.
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« Reply #72 on: November 22, 2016, 02:02:04 »

They said anyone travelling yesterday could travel today....has today now become tomorrow for those tickets?

Looks likely that Exeter to Taunton will remain shut for a good portion of Tuesday as well as Cowley Bridge Junction (an old flooding 'favourite') is now under water.

Several billion would need to be spent to rectify all these locations that are prone to flooding.  Perhaps the argument for a HS4 line to the West Country should come back into the spotlight?  I say that partly tongue in cheek, but there's no doubt starting from scratch means everything can be properly engineered from the start rather than very old formations patched up.  Certainly a benefit of HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) will be its much greater resilience to flooding.
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« Reply #73 on: November 22, 2016, 02:33:30 »

TransWilts peak train cancelled even though I'm in some doubt as to just where the flooding is - so it might be that the HSTs (High Speed Train) are being sent that way.   Reports that the Melksham help point is being less than helpful ... but excellent feedback from GWR (Great Western Railway) Help (thanks, Ollie!) and I've passed that though to my reporter.

P.S. If you're reading this, Ollie - sorry about the terseness of my message on Twitter ; I find it very hard to ask nicely and quickly in just 140 characters ...

Not a problem. Understandably frustrating, particularly when combined with the comms issues for the service.
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« Reply #74 on: November 22, 2016, 03:16:52 »

Looks likely that Exeter to Taunton will remain shut for a good portion of Tuesday as well as Cowley Bridge Junction (an old flooding 'favourite') is now under water.

Several billion would need to be spent to rectify all these locations that are prone to flooding.  Perhaps the argument for a HS4 line to the West Country should come back into the spotlight?  I say that partly tongue in cheek, but there's no doubt starting from scratch means everything can be properly engineered from the start rather than very old formations patched up.  Certainly a benefit of HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) will be its much greater resilience to flooding.

Cowley Bridge out - again - certainly re-enforces in my mind the desirability of multiple routes to each major part of the UK (United Kingdom) - and not ones which share fragile pinch points either.  A triangle at Cowley Bridge, with the side to be added in the form of a flyover (or at least with one high level track) and a joining up of Okehampton via Tavistock.   But that doesn't sort out the other points as you correctly say - and there are others such as Maidenhead, Athelney and Royal Wootton Bassett which have flooded very recently too. 

I might argue against calling it HS4 as I'm not convinced of the total need for HS (High Speed (short for HSS (High Speed Services) High Speed Services)), but I can see the desirability of additional lines for additional traffic and engineered to be above any flood possibility.   Old Oak - Greenford - High Wycombe - Bicester - Oxford - Didcot - Swindon - Westbury - Yeovil - Exeter - Okehampton - Plymouth he asks, tongue in cheek?
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