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« Reply #90 on: April 30, 2018, 14:28:21 » |
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Just a word on 10 car trains running as five. While I have no doubt in many cases the reason is down to crew shortages there may well be some occasions where a technical issue is to blame.
There have been problems with the on board software when two units are uncoupled. Thus if there is a fault in the rear set which prevents it being used for passengers it may well be thought prudent to keep it joined to the good set rather than risk losing both of them.
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« Reply #91 on: April 30, 2018, 14:59:00 » |
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I would say a trolley is more suitable than a buffet rather than better, though I remain of the opinion they should have a buffet for the WoE routes.
Only if a trolley actually runs through the whole train. I haven't been on that many IET▸ journeys yet, but on more than a couple of them, the trolley was only available in the front 5 coaches. |
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« Reply #92 on: April 30, 2018, 15:19:40 » |
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I would say a trolley is more suitable than a buffet rather than better, though I remain of the opinion they should have a buffet for the WoE routes.
Only if a trolley actually runs through the whole train. I haven't been on that many IET▸ journeys yet, but on more than a couple of them, the trolley was only available in the front 5 coaches. And a specific forecast of mine was that "and of course the trolley will be in the other half" This forecast was widely criticised as being unduly negative, but seems to be happening regularly. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #93 on: April 30, 2018, 15:22:09 » |
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Sadly that seems to be the case .
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« Reply #94 on: April 30, 2018, 17:15:46 » |
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Again, I would say it’s best to wait until the full fleet and timetables are introduced, but it comes as no surprise that GWR▸ have so far proven lacklustre in providing a suitable trolley service, give their inability to provide enough staff in other respects.
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« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2018, 19:33:35 » |
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Again, I would say it’s best to wait until the full fleet and timetables are introduced, but it comes as no surprise that GWR▸ have so far proven lacklustre in providing a suitable trolley service, give their inability to provide enough staff in other respects.
Whilst you make a good point, this is another example of "jam tomorrow" receding further into the future. Initially it was claimed that improvements would be felt from the beginning of this calendar year as the new trains came into use. I suspect that full length trains with a trolley in each portion have already become an aspiration rather than a commitment. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #96 on: April 30, 2018, 23:39:45 » |
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Well, we should know by this time next year. Provided there are no more delays of course...  |
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« Reply #97 on: May 01, 2018, 06:32:53 » |
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Around 20 services formed of 5 cars rather than 10 today.
How many HSTs▸ (which could have been used?) have already left the fleet?
Do GWR▸ pay Hitachi less for a shorter train?
Do GWR still make the same income per passenger, or is there some sort of penalty that they in turn incur with the DfT» ?
How are short forms reflected in ppm / performance measurements?
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« Reply #98 on: May 01, 2018, 09:40:27 » |
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Well, we should know by this time next year. Provided there are no more delays of course... Manana, manana.................... |
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« Reply #99 on: May 01, 2018, 10:49:28 » |
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Around 20 services formed of 5 cars rather than 10 today.
How many HSTs▸ (which could have been used?) have already left the fleet?
Do GWR▸ pay Hitachi less for a shorter train?
Do GWR still make the same income per passenger, or is there some sort of penalty that they in turn incur with the DfT» ?
How are short forms reflected in ppm / performance measurements?
All of this ruining the experience for customers of having a brand new train that should have been a good news story for the Western region. Very sad. |
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« Reply #100 on: May 01, 2018, 12:51:56 » |
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Trains have been temporarily split in order to provide more units for driver training. Training is running behind schedule due to late delivery of trains so splitting them is a temporary solution to help get drivers trained up.
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« Reply #101 on: May 01, 2018, 13:45:27 » |
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Good to hear it isn’t due to technical problems with the trains themselves.
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« Reply #102 on: May 01, 2018, 16:23:31 » |
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Around 20 services formed of 5 cars rather than 10 today.
I have noticed some 5 car departures from Paddington that should have been 10 are not advertised as stopping at Reading during the evening peak. When confirming with staff that it did in fact call at Reading I was told this is to reduce potential overcrowding. |
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« Reply #103 on: May 01, 2018, 19:02:50 » |
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Trains have been temporarily split in order to provide more units for driver training. Training is running behind schedule due to late delivery of trains so splitting them is a temporary solution to help get drivers trained up.
The DfT» have instructed GWR▸ to do this as well as cancel some services to provide paths and units for training. |
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« Reply #104 on: May 01, 2018, 22:36:18 » |
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My friend, who knows I know about trains, asked me why having booked a seat from Yatton to Paddington on a rare through train, she had to change units at Temple Meads where the coach letters did not match. She said it was awful for the mums with prams and the elderly with luggage who had to struggle between the two sections. (I'm not sure whether it was 10 coaches joined or two separate 5s that came close together at the same platform). As I tried to explain what I knew of the difficulties of providing anything like the promised improvement to the service I could see frustration and disappointment on her face. She loves the train normally as a great way to travel to see her grand children and this experience came as a shock.
As I have remarked before, I understand the background to all this nonsense and can at rationalise it as a supporter of public transport, but it's not the likes of me who have to be convinced to continue to use the train when a car or coach is a reliable alternative. This reduction in seats, convenience and indeed whole trains will have a reputational knock on even if the main media don't go to town on the situation.
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