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Author Topic: Avocet Line - Exeter to Exmouth - incidents and events; services, stock and related improvements  (Read 144638 times)
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« Reply #150 on: October 01, 2012, 16:38:23 »

Ten years ago, communities often felt that they had little input into the way that railways within those communities were operated ... and to a very great extent that was true.  Railway operation was seen purely on a larger regional or national basis, with little local consideration given, and that has to be right to some degree - especially on long distance lines.   London to Bristol services can't be predominantly governed by the needs of individual towns that pass through such as Pangboure, Wantage and Wootton Bassett, for example.

However, for lines and services which aren't of an InterCity character, there's a huge merit in having the community work with the railway service providers within their area, for the mutual benefit of both the community (who get a pride, an ownership, and an ability to request subtle changes that can make a huge difference) and the railway operators (who can take advantage of that local knoweldge and help to make the best use of services, and to have local enthusiasm and pride help to sell and look after the services).

The designation of a line as a "Community Rail" line, or a service as as community rail service, is a formal recognition of the community and the industry working together on particular lines, or for certain services on particular lines.  The Associaition of Community Rail Partnerships provides for the sharing of good practise between the groups, so that lessons learned hard in one part of the country can be more easily adoped in another without the hard learning, and provides some overall marketing and logistical support.   Being something of an official body / club, ACoRP (Association of Community Rail Partnerships) can also help local communities open doors much more easiy once they've been acceped as a member of the club.  As I read this story, it's good news for the Avocet (Branch line from Exeter to Exmouth) line - or rather for the people who use it, and the area it passes through.

What is the significant of community rail line "branding"?

It really indicates an official acceptance that this line / service is worth supporting, and is mature enough to benefit from it. The Avocet line already has a strong local group that do a great deal for the line - they've been informally a Community / Rail partnership if you would like to put it like that.  The new status should help them go from strength to strength - help them grow the use of services by support, marketing and fine tuning; such has lead to spectacular growth on lines such as the Heart of Wessex; I mention than one just because I know more about their figures than about the details of other CRPs (Community Rail Partnership).

Absence of a formal recognition of a CRP / Community Rail service does not stop communities working with the railways that go through there areas - indeed, if you have a line that's languishing in the doldums of an inappropriate service,  it requires the local authorities, the train operators, the government, politicians, businesses and the local community to work together to get it to the point at which ACoRP and the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) will accept that it's become mature enough, and with a sufficient service and head of steam, to be formally recognised.   There's something of an irony in this; in Wiltshire, the elements are working together on the TransWilts and we're seeing a really serious move forward, but we're not yet far enough down the line to be formally recognised ... which is a pity, because now - in the planning stage and sorting out the current somewhat peculiar service - is the time we would really benefit from being able to be a full ACoRP member and attend events such as their "realising the potential of small stations" conference on 7th November at an affordable cost; I'm sure we could learn things / get ideas for Melksham and Dilton Marsh!

So - the formal branding should be a big gain for the Avocet line - a fillip to local pride, an access to resources, and a smoother ride as all parties work together for the best of the line and the community it serves, and I offer them my congratulations on the designation.
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« Reply #151 on: October 01, 2012, 16:56:37 »

GrahamE says:
There's something of an irony in this; in Wiltshire, the elements are working together on the TransWilts and we're seeing a really serious move forward, but we're not yet far enough down the line to be formally recognised ... which is a pity, because now - in the planning stage and sorting out the current somewhat peculiar service - is the time we would really benefit from being able to be a full ACoRP (Association of Community Rail Partnerships) member and attend events such as their "realising the potential of small stations" conference on 7th November at an affordable cost; I'm sure we could learn things / get ideas for Melksham and Dilton Marsh!

The Cotswold Line is not a community rail line but CLPG» (Cotswold Line Promotion Group - about) is a full member of ACORP (Association of Community Rail Partnerships) and I am sure a number of our members will be attending the Worcester confernece on 7 November.
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« Reply #152 on: October 01, 2012, 18:23:38 »

The Severn Beach line has Community Rail Service status, and seems to have done well out of the work done by the various passionate groups and individuals to drive forward improvements. Before this happened, I used to think of the local services around Devon, and the Avocet (Branch line from Exeter to Exmouth) in particular, as being very good (in good weather, anyway). This should and could be very good news, providing a louder voice, and it is remarkable what unpaid amateur enthusiasts can achieve that the professionals can build upon.

SVB is a community rail service, rather than line, probably because the line is used occasionally for freight or diversions. Exmouth presumably isn't used for freight, and can't really be used for diversions. It would benefit from an extension to Buddleigh Salterton, and maybe even Sidmouth or even back to form by rejoining the mainline around Feniton. Wonder why no-one else ever thought of that?
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« Reply #153 on: October 01, 2012, 21:58:37 »

The Cotswold Line is not a community rail line but CLPG is a full member of ACORP (Association of Community Rail Partnerships) and I am sure a number of our members will be attending the Worcester confernece on 7 November.

That's an interesting point. From ACoRP (Association of Community Rail Partnerships)'s web site

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Membership of ACoRP is open to community rail partnerships, railway development companies, promotional groups and 'station friends'.

Full membership entitles organisations to take an active part in ACoRP's work which includes a range of seminars, training events and promotions.

So CLPG is "Cotswold Line Promotional GroupGrin
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« Reply #154 on: October 02, 2012, 17:11:54 »

Very interesting I wonder why?

Not wishing to be too cynical I can't see what advantage this would give to passengers on the line. It seems to me the service is viable so worthwhile for the TOC (Train Operating Company) to run. It's regular interval throughout the day. There is little scope for extra trains unless there is massive investment in the infrastructure (2nd platform at Exmouth?) and in anycase where would the stock come from to run extra services as the current service is built into the main Exter branch flows to Barnstaple and Torquay?

So I wonder what a community rail partnership could actually do.

Which brings me onto the Slough Windosr branch which was also on the list. We now have a 20 minute service, admittedly only one connects with the half hour fast from Padd but that's because  3 into 2 doesn't go. Like the Exmouth line ther is little scope to run a more frequent service without investment. Doubling part of the line from Slough to the river bridge (Brunel's) would enable a 10 minute two train service to be run with 4 minute turnround at each end and trains pasing on the arches. The line is also down for electrification, which makes a whole different ball game.

Like the Exmeouth branch it's pretty well used many passengers prefering a shorter trip to Padd even with a change, than the longer run to Waterloo. Come Crossrail they will be able to get right into Central London.

So again what could a community rail partnership do for the line?

I do sympathise with Grahame and the Transwilts group if ever a line needs to be a community rail partnership its Trowbridge Chippenham.
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« Reply #155 on: October 17, 2012, 11:42:23 »

From the Western Morning News:

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Extra trains are being made available to passengers on the Avocet line from Exeter to Exmouth.

Train Operator First Great Western has announced that for a six-week trial period starting next month trains will run every half hour on Sundays, instead of the usual hourly Sunday service.

The additional trains will run each Sunday from November 18 to December 23, to give a half hourly service between 10am and 6pm.

Julian Crow, of First Great Western said: "A half hourly Sunday service is the next logical step in development of the Exmouth line. Running this pilot will give the rail industry and the local authority an opportunity to see how well the extra services are used."

County councillor Stuart Hughes, Devon County Council cabinet member for highways and transportation, said: "Devon County Council supports this improved Sunday frequency for a trial period in the run up to Christmas. The benefits will be felt in both Exeter and Exmouth ^ along with new shopping opportunities in Exeter city centre, Exmouth has its new Strand and will be holding its Christmas Cracker event on December 1."

The additional train services are being part-funded by the Department for Transport, Network Rail and an association of community rail partnerships.
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« Reply #156 on: October 17, 2012, 17:41:09 »

Excellent news. I hope they are well advertised and heavily used.
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« Reply #157 on: October 17, 2012, 23:29:19 »

Excellent news. I hope they are well advertised and heavily used.

Agreed fully - hopefully these will be so well used it will be madness to reduce the numbers back down after the trial.
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« Reply #158 on: October 19, 2012, 22:26:41 »

An earlier service is needed on Sundays on that line if you ask me
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« Reply #159 on: October 26, 2012, 22:12:19 »

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From next month Sunday train services between Exmouth and Exeter will double.

Just days after its designation as a Community Railway the Avocet (Branch line from Exeter to Exmouth) Line between Exeter and Exmouth is to get extra trains.

The services, announced by First Great Western, will be for a six-week trial period and will mean that trains are every half hour on Sundays, instead of the usual hourly Sunday service.

This has been made possible by Community Rail funding, with further support from Devon County Council.

Tony Day chairman of the Avocet Rail Users Group (ALRUG) said: ^This will be a great help in the period running up to Christmas, when many people are travelling to visit relatives, taking a winter break, or coming home for the holidays. The extra trains running through to St David^s will make connections with the main line much easier ^ as well as benefiting Christmas shoppers travelling into Exeter.^

The additional trains will run each Sunday from November 18 to December 23, to give a half hourly service between 10am and 6 pm.

ALRUG has been campaigning for such a service and Mr Day added: ^Over the past three years we have done a lot of work on this, including many Sunday passenger counts with the help of the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership. We have demonstrated clearly that Sunday trains are as busy ^ or busier ^ than those in the week, apart from the rush hour. A half-hourly service, year round from 2014, is an option in the franchise currently out to tender, so full marks to FGW (First Great Western) for giving passengers the chance to show that such a service would be well used.^

Julian Crow, of First Great Western said: ^A half-hourly Sunday service is the next step in development of the Exmouth line.^
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« Reply #160 on: November 21, 2012, 19:42:34 »

http://www.exmouthjournal.co.uk/news/sunday_train_trial_a_success_1_1701807

Off to a good start with the increased Sunday service.
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« Reply #161 on: November 21, 2012, 21:15:03 »

Excellent news!
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« Reply #162 on: January 09, 2013, 20:17:32 »

From the First Great Western press release:

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Norman Baker MP (Member of Parliament) praises success of Exeter branch line

Norman Baker, Parliamentary Undersecretary of State for Transport, visited Exeter St Davids Station on Tuesday 8 January.

The Minister saw the Brompton Dock cycle hire scheme at the station as well as met station staff and representatives of the Avocet (Branch line from Exeter to Exmouth) Line Rail Users Group (ALRUG) - following confirmation of Community Rail status for the Avocet Line.

Norman Baker said: ^I am pleased to see that the Avocet Line has been a great success story since its community rail service designation in September and congratulate everyone who has been involved.

^Passenger numbers are well up compared with the same period in the previous year with people taking full advantage of the extra services, showing what can be achieved when communities become more closely involved with their railways to help create the services and stations passengers deserve.^

"I also welcome the cycle hire scheme at Exeter St David^s Station. I use a folding bike to get around London so I know first-hand the benefits they bring. This facility really showcases what can be achieved when transport providers come together to establish onward journey solutions for travellers."

First Great Western Regional Manager West of England Julian Crow commented: ^At First Great Western we^re committed supporters of community rail and fully endorse the benefits that working closely with our local partners can bring. The designation of the Avocet Line has enabled it to take advantage of the benefits that are available to all other thriving Community Rail branch lines.^

Passenger numbers on the line are at record levels, increasing 27.8 percent in Dec 2012 compared with the same period last year. Between 2001 and 2011 passenger numbers on the line increased by over 60%.

This is the result of a clear strategy, working with both Devon County Council, the Devon and Cornwall Community Rail Partnership and the Avocet Line Rail Users Group. 

Julian continued: ^It is also fantastic to see such a prominent figure visiting the Brompton Dock hire scheme at Exeter St Davids. The scheme really is about getting people out of cars and onto bikes. With the Minister^s involvement hopefully even more people will be encouraged to use the fold-up bikes, which can be taken on the train and used to complete a journey before being returned to their dock."

Norman Baker is a continuing supporter of the bike hire scheme, which provides members of the public with access to Brompton folding bikes, which can be taken on board trains or stored in the office. The scheme was launched at Exeter St Davids last October.
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« Reply #163 on: April 28, 2013, 16:35:36 »

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I work for First Great Western, and I have just read your article on the front of the Exmouth Herald about rail investment.

Numbers on the Exmouth to Exeter line have increased tremendously in the last ten years.

The issue is that the majority of the increase has occurred between 7am and 9am heading to Exeter, and 4pm and 6pm doing the return trip.

Increased capacity for those times can only be achieved by putting in a passing loop at Lympstone. As for services outside these times, it doesn^t matter how many carriages you run, if the station platforms don^t have the length to take them, they are almost wasted running.

Sunday services are hourly, which is plenty of trains to serve the capacity. You get extreme passenger numbers, due to sunny weather, but these never exceed demand.

There might be a squeeze from time to time, but try getting into Exmouth by car in the summer. Rolling stock in the rush hour is not the issue, laying a passing loop for more frequent services is.

I have had several meetings with people from the Department for Transport, and they have told me that there will be no upgrade in the A376 in the next 10 years, and are looking at reopening the second platform at Exmouth (adjacent to platform one, estuary car park side) or a passing loop at Lympstone, to increase rush hour traffic to a train every 20 minutes instead of every 30.

As much as I admire ALRUG, and they have the line at heart, they are way off what would serve the line best.

We all want a healthy branch from Exeter, but repeatedly going on about extra carriages is not the answer ... a small investment in infrastructure is.

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« Reply #164 on: April 28, 2013, 17:58:46 »

I think more is needed than simply a passing loop at Lympstone. The single track between Topsham and Exmouth Jn would likely become a major bottleneck.
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